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A First Class Company

N4FN
  Yes indeed, Elecraft is a FIRST CLASS company.....Unfortunately with a
third world country reflector (just my opinion)
Other reflectors use the user friendly IO service. QTH.Net is not user
friendly. I hope that they can switch to .IO. Why do I have this
opinion? It forces the user to scroll thru many messages that a user may
not have an interest in, and hunting to find those of interest. Using
the .IO all one needs to do is click on the item and it is there. Just
one "geezers" take on the issue.
73
Neil   N4FN


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Re: A First Class Company

Grant Youngman-2
This “geezer” finds all kinds of things of interest that might not necessarily seem interesting at first look :-)

Grant/NQ5T


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> On Sep 30, 2019, at 2:23 PM, Neil <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>  Yes indeed, Elecraft is a FIRST CLASS company.....Unfortunately with a third world country reflector (just my opinion)
> Other reflectors use the user friendly IO service. QTH.Net is not user friendly. I hope that they can switch to .IO. Why do I have this opinion? It forces the user to scroll thru many messages that a user may not have an interest in, and hunting to find those of interest. Using the .IO all one needs to do is click on the item and it is there. Just one "geezers" take on the issue.
> 73
> Neil   N4FN
>
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Re: A First Class Company

Wes Stewart-2
I detest .io

Wes

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> On Sep 30, 2019, at 11:33 AM, Grant Youngman <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> This “geezer” finds all kinds of things of interest that might not necessarily seem interesting at first look :-)
>
> Grant/NQ5T
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 30, 2019, at 2:23 PM, Neil <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>  Yes indeed, Elecraft is a FIRST CLASS company.....Unfortunately with a third world country reflector (just my opinion)
>> Other reflectors use the user friendly IO service. QTH.Net is not user friendly. I hope that they can switch to .IO. Why do I have this opinion? It forces the user to scroll thru many messages that a user may not have an interest in, and hunting to find those of interest. Using the .IO all one needs to do is click on the item and it is there. Just one "geezers" take on the issue.
>> 73
>> Neil   N4FN
>>
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Re: A First Class Company

Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT-3
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Reflectors are like CW.  They've been around almost as long as the
Internet.  The other term is "list server."

The sender sends an E-Mail, and it goes out to the list.  It's up to the
individual mail system, and client, to deal with as they wish.

Personally, as someone who actually ran mail systems for a few decades,
I find it far easier to use a mail client running on my machine than it
is do deal with a mail client running on a machine hundreds of
milliseconds away, and wait for my share of that processor to send back
an updated display.

... but then again, I've been dealing with list servers since the 90's,
and pretty much hate the web-based analogs.

But, as is often said on the Internet, YMMV.

73 -- Lynn

On 9/30/2019 11:22 AM, Neil wrote:

>   Yes indeed, Elecraft is a FIRST CLASS company.....Unfortunately with a
> third world country reflector (just my opinion)
> Other reflectors use the user friendly IO service. QTH.Net is not user
> friendly. I hope that they can switch to .IO. Why do I have this
> opinion? It forces the user to scroll thru many messages that a user may
> not have an interest in, and hunting to find those of interest. Using
> the .IO all one needs to do is click on the item and it is there. Just
> one "geezers" take on the issue.
> 73
> Neil   N4FN
>
>
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Re: A First Class Company

Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT-3
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Isn't .io a top-level domain??

On 9/30/2019 11:43 AM, Wes N7WS wrote:

> I detest .io
>
> Wes
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 30, 2019, at 11:33 AM, Grant Youngman <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> This “geezer” finds all kinds of things of interest that might not necessarily seem interesting at first look :-)
>>
>> Grant/NQ5T
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Sep 30, 2019, at 2:23 PM, Neil <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Yes indeed, Elecraft is a FIRST CLASS company.....Unfortunately with a third world country reflector (just my opinion)
>>> Other reflectors use the user friendly IO service. QTH.Net is not user friendly. I hope that they can switch to .IO. Why do I have this opinion? It forces the user to scroll thru many messages that a user may not have an interest in, and hunting to find those of interest. Using the .IO all one needs to do is click on the item and it is there. Just one "geezers" take on the issue.
>>> 73
>>> Neil   N4FN
>>>
>>>
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Re: A First Class Company

Bob McGraw - K4TAX
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I own 4 ham radio groups and moderate 1 ham radio group and belong to
about 4 others.   Life is what you make it in the world of "list
servers".    If you hate it or one of them,  then it is likely the way
one has it configured for their needs.     "It ain't rocket science".

73

Bob, K4TAX



On 9/30/2019 1:48 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote:

> Reflectors are like CW.  They've been around almost as long as the
> Internet. The other term is "list server."
>
> The sender sends an E-Mail, and it goes out to the list.  It's up to
> the individual mail system, and client, to deal with as they wish.
>
> Personally, as someone who actually ran mail systems for a few
> decades, I find it far easier to use a mail client running on my
> machine than it is do deal with a mail client running on a machine
> hundreds of milliseconds away, and wait for my share of that processor
> to send back an updated display.
>
> ... but then again, I've been dealing with list servers since the
> 90's, and pretty much hate the web-based analogs.
>
> But, as is often said on the Internet, YMMV.
>
> 73 -- Lynn
>
> On 9/30/2019 11:22 AM, Neil wrote:
>>   Yes indeed, Elecraft is a FIRST CLASS company.....Unfortunately
>> with a third world country reflector (just my opinion)
>> Other reflectors use the user friendly IO service. QTH.Net is not
>> user friendly. I hope that they can switch to .IO. Why do I have this
>> opinion? It forces the user to scroll thru many messages that a user
>> may not have an interest in, and hunting to find those of interest.
>> Using the .IO all one needs to do is click on the item and it is
>> there. Just one "geezers" take on the issue.
>> 73
>> Neil   N4FN
>>
>>
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Re: A First Class Company

k6dgw
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"indian ocean?"

73,
Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 9/30/2019 11:49 AM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote:
> Isn't .io a top-level domain??
>

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Re: A First Class Company

w5sum
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People just don’t want or like changes

Ronnie W5SUM

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> On Sep 30, 2019, at 1:49 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Isn't .io a top-level domain??
>
>> On 9/30/2019 11:43 AM, Wes N7WS wrote:
>> I detest .io
>> Wes
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> On Sep 30, 2019, at 11:33 AM, Grant Youngman <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> This “geezer” finds all kinds of things of interest that might not necessarily seem interesting at first look :-)
>>>
>>> Grant/NQ5T
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Sep 30, 2019, at 2:23 PM, Neil <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  Yes indeed, Elecraft is a FIRST CLASS company.....Unfortunately with a third world country reflector (just my opinion)
>>>> Other reflectors use the user friendly IO service. QTH.Net is not user friendly. I hope that they can switch to .IO. Why do I have this opinion? It forces the user to scroll thru many messages that a user may not have an interest in, and hunting to find those of interest. Using the .IO all one needs to do is click on the item and it is there. Just one "geezers" take on the issue.
>>>> 73
>>>> Neil   N4FN
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: A First Class Company

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http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/elecraft/2019-September/270620.html

What could be easier..?     ¯‍∖‍_‍(‍ツ‍)‍_‍/‍¯


Dick – KA5KKT

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Re: A First Class Company

David Gilbert
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A couple of months ago somebody strongly argued for the TowerTalk
reflector (which has a couple thousand subscribers) to switch to a
groups.io list.  With the TowerTalk moderator's blessing somebody set
one up on July 21 and urged everyone to switch to it.  As of today it
has 36 members and has had a total of 8 posts, five of which were made
by the guy who set it up.

I am constantly amazed how difficult it is for some people to quickly
scroll through a list of topics to find the ones they may be interested
in.  And yet it's the younger generations who get accused of needing
instant gratification ... go figure.

Dave   AB7E



On 9/30/2019 11:22 AM, Neil wrote:

>  Yes indeed, Elecraft is a FIRST CLASS company.....Unfortunately with
> a third world country reflector (just my opinion)
> Other reflectors use the user friendly IO service. QTH.Net is not user
> friendly. I hope that they can switch to .IO. Why do I have this
> opinion? It forces the user to scroll thru many messages that a user
> may not have an interest in, and hunting to find those of interest.
> Using the .IO all one needs to do is click on the item and it is
> there. Just one "geezers" take on the issue.
> 73
> Neil   N4FN

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Re: A First Class Company

Wes Stewart-2
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Okay, groups,io.  I was being brief on my phone.

On 9/30/2019 11:49 AM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote:
> Isn't .io a top-level domain??
>
> On 9/30/2019 11:43 AM, Wes N7WS wrote:
>> I detest .io
>>
>> Wes
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone

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Re: A First Class Company

Wes Stewart-2
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Change for the better is fine.

On 9/30/2019 12:19 PM, Ronnie Hull wrote:
> People just don’t want or like changes
>
> Ronnie W5SUM
>

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Re: A First Class Company

Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
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Folks - Let's end this recurring thread now in the interest of improving list SNR.

73,
Eric  WA6HHQ
List moderator etc.
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On 9/30/2019 12:43 PM, David Gilbert wrote:

>
> A couple of months ago somebody strongly argued for the TowerTalk reflector
> (which has a couple thousand subscribers) to switch to a groups.io list.  With
> the TowerTalk moderator's blessing somebody set one up on July 21 and urged
> everyone to switch to it.  As of today it has 36 members and has had a total
> of 8 posts, five of which were made by the guy who set it up.
>
> I am constantly amazed how difficult it is for some people to quickly scroll
> through a list of topics to find the ones they may be interested in.  And yet
> it's the younger generations who get accused of needing instant gratification
> ... go figure.
>
> Dave   AB7E
>
>
>
> On 9/30/2019 11:22 AM, Neil wrote:
>>  Yes indeed, Elecraft is a FIRST CLASS company.....Unfortunately with a third
>> world country reflector (just my opinion)
>> Other reflectors use the user friendly IO service. QTH.Net is not user
>> friendly. I hope that they can switch to .IO. Why do I have this opinion? It
>> forces the user to scroll thru many messages that a user may not have an
>> interest in, and hunting to find those of interest. Using the .IO all one
>> needs to do is click on the item and it is there. Just one "geezers" take on
>> the issue.
>> 73
>> Neil   N4FN
>
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Re: A First Class Company

Don Wilhelm
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Finally, a post with a reasonable solution! - Use an email client on
your computer!  Then it won't matter and you do not have to sign onto
several web based accounts.

I currently have 11 accounts that are handled by my email client
(Thunderbird).  All incoming mail is sorted via filters into separate
folders under my inbox, so I have only a small amount of inbox
investigation and arrangement to do.  As a result I have my own personal
"digest" on my computer.
I shudder to think how long it would take me to sign into each email
group using webmail.

Most of my accounts are handled as POP3 mail, and yes, I do look at my
email on more than one computer.  I just tell Thunderbird to leave a
copy  of all emails on the server for 7 days (unless I delete them), and
I can see all my email on any computer as long as I download the email
on each one at least once a week.

To me all my accounts look the same whether QTH.net, or groups.io or
gmail or other.  I use plain text with all of them - no problems.
I do regularly delete emails that are more than 6 months old - but I
have to do that manually.

73,
Don W3FPR


On 9/30/2019 2:48 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote:

> Reflectors are like CW.  They've been around almost as long as the
> Internet.  The other term is "list server."
>
> The sender sends an E-Mail, and it goes out to the list.  It's up to the
> individual mail system, and client, to deal with as they wish.
>
> Personally, as someone who actually ran mail systems for a few decades,
> I find it far easier to use a mail client running on my machine than it
> is do deal with a mail client running on a machine hundreds of
> milliseconds away, and wait for my share of that processor to send back
> an updated display.
>
> ... but then again, I've been dealing with list servers since the 90's,
> and pretty much hate the web-based analogs.
>
> But, as is often said on the Internet, YMMV.
>
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Re: A First Class Company

Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
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Even Better:
Nabble.com: elecraft Searchable Daily Web Archive (view by date or discussion
thread and reply to postings.) <http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/>
http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/

Eric
/elecraft.com/

On 9/30/2019 12:29 PM, Dick Dickinson wrote:

> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/elecraft/2019-September/270620.html
>
> What could be easier..?     ¯‍∖‍_‍(‍ツ‍)‍_‍/‍¯
>
>
> Dick – KA5KKT
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Re: A First Class Company

Clay Autery-2
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Mmmm... care to offer some amplification of that statement.... along the
lines of WHY?

I've had a remarkably favorable experience with groups.io.

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On 30-Sep-19 13:43, Wes N7WS wrote:
> I detest .io
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Re: A First Class Company

Clay Autery-2
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groups.io

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On 30-Sep-19 13:49, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote:
> Isn't .io a top-level domain??
>
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Re: A First Class Company

Clay Autery-2
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THAT is the real deal, Ronnie!

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On 30-Sep-19 14:19, Ronnie Hull wrote:
> People just don’t want or like changes
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Re: A First Class Company

Clay Autery-2
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Yup....  me too.  +100

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On 30-Sep-19 14:25, Walter Underwood wrote:
> He’s most likely talking about the groups.io mailing list and group site. For some reason, people call it “GIO” or “.io” or anything but “groups.io”.
>
> I’ve been managing email lists, netnews, and groups since 1983, and I think that groups.io is the best system I’ve ever used. I’ve migrated all of the groups I manage off of Yahoo and Google to groups.io.
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Re: A First Class Company

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Gentleman,
 I suspect that both Wayne and Eric and the rest are aware of your
comments. Tieing up the reflector beating a dead horse to dust will do us
no good.

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