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Dual panadapter on K4 at Pacificon

wayne burdick
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One of many K4 features we're putting the finishing touches on is the dual panadapter display, which will make its debut at Pacificon. Please stop by our booth this weekend if you get a chance.

73,
Wayne
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Re: Dual panadapter on K4 at Pacificon

ke9uw
Is a more accurate clock possible? I imagine that depends on available chips but it’s a common topic.

Chuck Jack Hawley
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> On Oct 17, 2019, at 5:24 PM, Wayne Burdick <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> One of many K4 features we're putting the finishing touches on is the dual panadapter display, which will make its debut at Pacificon. Please stop by our booth this weekend if you get a chance.
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> 73,
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Re: Dual panadapter on K4 at Pacificon

Doug Turnbull
Chuck,
    Do you mean a 24 hour clock?   I too would like this.

                  73 Doug EI2CN

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Is a more accurate clock possible? I imagine that depends on available chips
but it's a common topic.

Chuck Jack Hawley
KE9UW

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> On Oct 17, 2019, at 5:24 PM, Wayne Burdick <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> One of many K4 features we're putting the finishing touches on is the dual
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> 73,
> Wayne
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Re: Dual panadapter on K4 at Pacificon

wayne burdick
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The K4 includes on-screen date/time, and it’s very accurate.

Wayne
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> On Oct 18, 2019, at 1:18 PM, Doug Turnbull <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> Chuck,
>    Do you mean a 24 hour clock?   I too would like this.
>
>                  73 Doug EI2CN
>
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>
> Is a more accurate clock possible? I imagine that depends on available chips
> but it's a common topic.
>
> Chuck Jack Hawley
> KE9UW
>
> Sent from my iPhone, cjack
>
>> On Oct 17, 2019, at 5:24 PM, Wayne Burdick <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> One of many K4 features we're putting the finishing touches on is the dual
> panadapter display, which will make its debut at Pacificon. Please stop by
> our booth this weekend if you get a chance.
>>
>> 73,
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
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Re: Dual panadapter on K4 at Pacificon

Jim Miller
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Since the K4 is running Linux if attached to the internet it would likely be timesynched by default.

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Chuck,
   Do you mean a 24 hour clock?   I too would like this.

                 73 Doug EI2CN

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Dual panadapter on K4 at Pacificon

Is a more accurate clock possible? I imagine that depends on available chips
but it's a common topic.

Chuck Jack Hawley
KE9UW

Sent from my iPhone, cjack

> On Oct 17, 2019, at 5:24 PM, Wayne Burdick <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> One of many K4 features we're putting the finishing touches on is the dual
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>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
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Re: Dual panadapter on K4 at Pacificon

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I've never understood the obsession with clocks and clock accuracy on
the K3/K3s/K4 series of rigs, yet it keeps popping up here from time to
time.  I would think that 98+% of the operations with these rigs
involves the use of computer logging programs, almost all of which
boldly, conspicuously, and accurately display the time and autolog it. 
I could see the need for it on a KX2 or KX3, but why is it such a big
deal on the base stations?

Just curious.  I'm a long time K3 owner and I never use the internal clock.

73,
Dave   AB7E


On 10/18/2019 1:18 PM, Doug Turnbull wrote:
> Chuck,
>      Do you mean a 24 hour clock?   I too would like this.
>
>                    73 Doug EI2CN

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Re: Dual panadapter on K4 at Pacificon

Bill Weaver
 
 
The flip side of that is with ntp being around since the stone age and the K4 having that feature implicitly, why not have it dead on? I have to use a 3rd party program to keep windows close which is a joke in the 21st century.  
 

 
73,
 
Bill WE5P
 
 
 

 
 
 
 
 
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>  I've never understood the obsession with clocks and clock accuracy on the K3/K3s/K4 series of rigs, yet it keeps popping up here from time to time. I would think that 98+% of the operations with these rigs involves the use of computer logging programs, almost all of which boldly, conspicuously, and accurately display the time and autolog it. I could see the need for it on a KX2 or KX3, but why is it such a big deal on the base stations? Just curious. I'm a long time K3 owner and I never use the internal clock. 73, Dave AB7E On 10/18/2019 1:18 PM, Doug Turnbull wrote:  >  Chuck,  >  Do you mean a 24 hour clock? I too would like this.  >   >  73 Doug EI2CN ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.htm!
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Re: Dual panadapter on K4 at Pacificon

David Gilbert

Yeah, I understand that.  If you're going to have a clock it might as
well be accurate.  I just don't understand why anyone cares about the
clock to start with.  At least not unless or until Elecraft enables some
embedded app in the K4 that needs it.  I doubt anyone needs +/- a couple
seconds accuracy for anything that would involve manually transcribing
the time from the rig.

Agree about Windows.  When I power on my Win10 laptop that I use for FT8
the damn thing is about 2.5 seconds off until Meinberg decides to step
in and fix things.  Pretty sad.

73,
Dave   AB7E


On 10/18/2019 2:59 PM, Bill Weaver wrote:

> The flip side of that is with ntp being around since the stone age and
> the K4 having that feature implicitly, why not have it dead on? I have
> to use a 3rd party program to keep windows close which is a joke in
> the 21st century.
>
> 73,
> Bill WE5P
>
>
>> On Oct 18, 2019 at 17:50, David Gilbert <[hidden email]
>> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>>
>> I've never understood the obsession with clocks and clock accuracy on
>> the K3/K3s/K4 series of rigs, yet it keeps popping up here from time to
>> time.  I would think that 98+% of the operations with these rigs
>> involves the use of computer logging programs, almost all of which
>> boldly, conspicuously, and accurately display the time and autolog it.
>> I could see the need for it on a KX2 or KX3, but why is it such a big
>> deal on the base stations?
>>
>> Just curious.  I'm a long time K3 owner and I never use the internal clock.
>>
>> 73,
>> Dave   AB7E
>>
>>
>> On 10/18/2019 1:18 PM, Doug Turnbull wrote:
>> > Chuck,
>> >      Do you mean a 24 hour clock?   I too would like this.
>> >
>> >                    73 Doug EI2CN
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Re: Dual panadapter on K4 at Pacificon

ke9uw
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If it’s there, it needs to be right for some folks. And they’re the ones I want designing my car’s airbags.

Chuck Jack Hawley
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> On Oct 18, 2019, at 4:51 PM, David Gilbert <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>
> I've never understood the obsession with clocks and clock accuracy on the K3/K3s/K4 series of rigs, yet it keeps popping up here from time to time.  I would think that 98+% of the operations with these rigs involves the use of computer logging programs, almost all of which boldly, conspicuously, and accurately display the time and autolog it.  I could see the need for it on a KX2 or KX3, but why is it such a big deal on the base stations?
>
> Just curious.  I'm a long time K3 owner and I never use the internal clock.
>
> 73,
> Dave   AB7E
>
>
>> On 10/18/2019 1:18 PM, Doug Turnbull wrote:
>> Chuck,
>>     Do you mean a 24 hour clock?   I too would like this.
>>
>>                   73 Doug EI2CN
>
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Re: Dual panadapter on K4 at Pacificon

Bill Weaver
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I agree about it's utility :-).
 

 
73,
 
Bill WE5P
 
 
 

 
 
 
 
 
>  
> On Oct 18, 2019 at 18:31, David Gilbert  <[hidden email]>  wrote:
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>  
>  Yeah, I understand that. If you're going to have a clock it might as well be accurate. I just don't understand why anyone cares about the clock to start with. At least not unless or until Elecraft enables some embedded app in the K4 that needs it. I doubt anyone needs +/- a couple seconds accuracy for anything that would involve manually transcribing the time from the rig. Agree about Windows. When I power on my Win10 laptop that I use for FT8 the damn thing is about 2.5 seconds off until Meinberg decides to step in and fix things. Pretty sad. 73, Dave AB7E On 10/18/2019 2:59 PM, Bill Weaver wrote:  >  The flip side of that is with ntp being around since the stone age and  >  the K4 having that feature implicitly, why not have it dead on? I have  >  to use a 3rd party program to keep windows close which is a joke in  >  the 21st century.  >   >  73,  >  Bill WE5P  >   >   >>  On Oct 18, 2019 at 17:50, David Gilbert  >   >  wrote:  >>   >>  I've never understood the obsess!
 ion with
clocks and clock accuracy on  >>  the K3/K3s/K4 series of rigs, yet it keeps popping up here from time to  >>  time. I would think that 98+% of the operations with these rigs  >>  involves the use of computer logging programs, almost all of which  >>  boldly, conspicuously, and accurately display the time and autolog it.  >>  I could see the need for it on a KX2 or KX3, but why is it such a big  >>  deal on the base stations?  >>   >>  Just curious. I'm a long time K3 owner and I never use the internal clock.  >>   >>  73,  >>  Dave AB7E  >>   >>   >>  On 10/18/2019 1:18 PM, Doug Turnbull wrote:  >>   >  Chuck,  >>   >  Do you mean a 24 hour clock? I too would like this.  >>   >   >>   >  73 Doug EI2CN  >>   >>  ______________________________________________________________  >>  Elecraft mailing list  >>  Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft  >>  Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm  >>  Post: mailto:[hidden email]  >>   >>  This list hosted by:!
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Radio clocks, internet and security!

Don Wilhelm
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Chuck and all,

How many actually use the clock in the K3, K3S, KX3 or KX2?
I certainly don't.  In the case of the KX3 it is used to time the
charging of the internal batteries - good use.

I can see a ham without a watch or cell phone to want the rig to display
the time for logging, but for me, my good old Timex on my wrist tells me
what time to log.  The clock in my KX3 is more difficult to access than
simply glancing at my wrist!

I have never even set the clock in my K3 or KX3!  Nor do I feel a need
to do so.

As far as the K4 Linux software/firmware being internet connected, I
have my reservations about that.  I have enough stuff connected to the
internet, and someone will have to demonstrate the benefit of my ham
radio being connected to the internet in addition to my computers.

If connection of the K4 to the internet is to be done, I have concerns
about security and personal privacy.  Even Linux is subject to bad stuff
from the internet - it is not entirely secure, it is just that the
number of users is small compared to other OS versions and hackers just
do not bother for most cases.

When my refrigerator or microwave begins to listen in to my
conversations, I begin to worry about the BIG Brother consequences.

BTW, I do not have an Alexa or Siri device for those security reasons.
I can easily use a switch on the wall to operate a light switch and it
is secure. I can turn on my home theater or my computer AV application
when I want to hear music or view videos.

Call me old-fashioned, but I like to have control of my environment.
The Internet Of Things seems to be fraught with exposures and dangers
that I am not willing to accept.

73,
Don W3FPR

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Re: Radio clocks, internet and security!

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You're old fashioned...

Jack BMW Motorcycles
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> On Oct 18, 2019, at 6:54 PM, Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Chuck and all,
>
> How many actually use the clock in the K3, K3S, KX3 or KX2?
> I certainly don't.  In the case of the KX3 it is used to time the charging of the internal batteries - good use.
>
> I can see a ham without a watch or cell phone to want the rig to display the time for logging, but for me, my good old Timex on my wrist tells me what time to log.  The clock in my KX3 is more difficult to access than simply glancing at my wrist!
>
> I have never even set the clock in my K3 or KX3!  Nor do I feel a need to do so.
>
> As far as the K4 Linux software/firmware being internet connected, I have my reservations about that.  I have enough stuff connected to the internet, and someone will have to demonstrate the benefit of my ham radio being connected to the internet in addition to my computers.
>
> If connection of the K4 to the internet is to be done, I have concerns about security and personal privacy.  Even Linux is subject to bad stuff from the internet - it is not entirely secure, it is just that the number of users is small compared to other OS versions and hackers just do not bother for most cases.
>
> When my refrigerator or microwave begins to listen in to my conversations, I begin to worry about the BIG Brother consequences.
>
> BTW, I do not have an Alexa or Siri device for those security reasons. I can easily use a switch on the wall to operate a light switch and it is secure. I can turn on my home theater or my computer AV application when I want to hear music or view videos.
>
> Call me old-fashioned, but I like to have control of my environment. The Internet Of Things seems to be fraught with exposures and dangers that I am not willing to accept.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
>> On 10/18/2019 2:03 PM, hawley, charles j jr wrote:
>> Is a more accurate clock possible? I imagine that depends on available chips but it’s a common topic.
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Re: Radio clocks, internet and security!

Bill K9YEQ
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Don,
Plus you actually get exercise when you walk to your devices rather than rely on some software that does in fact invade your privacy. I am with you on this 100%.

72 & 73,
Bill
K9YEQ
FT’er for K2, KX1, KX3, KXPA100,  KAT500, W2, etc.

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Subject: [Elecraft] Radio clocks, internet and security!

Chuck and all,

How many actually use the clock in the K3, K3S, KX3 or KX2?
I certainly don't.  In the case of the KX3 it is used to time the charging of the internal batteries - good use.

I can see a ham without a watch or cell phone to want the rig to display the time for logging, but for me, my good old Timex on my wrist tells me what time to log.  The clock in my KX3 is more difficult to access than simply glancing at my wrist!

I have never even set the clock in my K3 or KX3!  Nor do I feel a need to do so.

As far as the K4 Linux software/firmware being internet connected, I have my reservations about that.  I have enough stuff connected to the internet, and someone will have to demonstrate the benefit of my ham radio being connected to the internet in addition to my computers.

If connection of the K4 to the internet is to be done, I have concerns about security and personal privacy.  Even Linux is subject to bad stuff from the internet - it is not entirely secure, it is just that the number of users is small compared to other OS versions and hackers just do not bother for most cases.

When my refrigerator or microwave begins to listen in to my conversations, I begin to worry about the BIG Brother consequences.

BTW, I do not have an Alexa or Siri device for those security reasons.
I can easily use a switch on the wall to operate a light switch and it is secure. I can turn on my home theater or my computer AV application when I want to hear music or view videos.

Call me old-fashioned, but I like to have control of my environment.
The Internet Of Things seems to be fraught with exposures and dangers that I am not willing to accept.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/18/2019 2:03 PM, hawley, charles j jr wrote:
> Is a more accurate clock possible? I imagine that depends on available chips but it’s a common topic.
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Re: Radio clocks, internet and security!

Bob McGraw - K4TAX
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I certainly use the clock on my K3S.  It is UTC while the computer is
local time.   The computer syncs to NTP servers.   The K3 Utility makes
it easy to update the clock as needed.

I am very careful what and how I connect things to the internet. I will
never have any of those things, Alexa or Siri or the like, that one
talks to that turns on lights or plays music.

I've a friend that presently writes code for security matters. He says
he can hack into most of the computers on line.  He writes code to
prevent these types of occurrences for his clients.   One of which is
the US Government and Military.   Other projects are to assure
conference rooms do not contain "bugs".  SDR receivers are great for
this application.    And another is weapons guidance systems and related
anti-jamming code.    I'll take his advice and be careful what I connect
to the internet.

73

Bob, K4TAX


On 10/18/2019 6:54 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:

> Chuck and all,
>
> How many actually use the clock in the K3, K3S, KX3 or KX2?
> I certainly don't.  In the case of the KX3 it is used to time the
> charging of the internal batteries - good use.
>
> I can see a ham without a watch or cell phone to want the rig to
> display the time for logging, but for me, my good old Timex on my
> wrist tells me what time to log.  The clock in my KX3 is more
> difficult to access than simply glancing at my wrist!
>
> I have never even set the clock in my K3 or KX3!  Nor do I feel a need
> to do so.
>
> As far as the K4 Linux software/firmware being internet connected, I
> have my reservations about that.  I have enough stuff connected to the
> internet, and someone will have to demonstrate the benefit of my ham
> radio being connected to the internet in addition to my computers.
>
> If connection of the K4 to the internet is to be done, I have concerns
> about security and personal privacy.  Even Linux is subject to bad
> stuff from the internet - it is not entirely secure, it is just that
> the number of users is small compared to other OS versions and hackers
> just do not bother for most cases.
>
> When my refrigerator or microwave begins to listen in to my
> conversations, I begin to worry about the BIG Brother consequences.
>
> BTW, I do not have an Alexa or Siri device for those security reasons.
> I can easily use a switch on the wall to operate a light switch and it
> is secure. I can turn on my home theater or my computer AV application
> when I want to hear music or view videos.
>
> Call me old-fashioned, but I like to have control of my environment.
> The Internet Of Things seems to be fraught with exposures and dangers
> that I am not willing to accept.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 10/18/2019 2:03 PM, hawley, charles j jr wrote:
>> Is a more accurate clock possible? I imagine that depends on
>> available chips but it’s a common topic.
>>
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Re: Radio clocks, internet and security!

Bill Frantz
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While relatively few people use Linux as a desktop environment,
many servers run Linux. Breaking into servers is a big deal for
the bad guys.

I do generally agree with Don about the modern stuff like Siri
and Alexa. I go so far as to run a email user agent which
doesn't interpret HTML. Using only basic text greatly reduces
the attack surface on my computer. Also, not automatically
following links in the email improves privacy.

73 Bill AE6JV

On 10/18/19 at 7:54 PM, [hidden email] (Don Wilhelm) wrote:

>If connection of the K4 to the internet is to be done, I have
>concerns about security and personal privacy.  Even Linux is
>subject to bad stuff from the internet - it is not entirely
>secure, it is just that the number of users is small compared
>to other OS versions and hackers just do not bother for most cases.
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Re: Dual panadapter on K4 at Pacificon

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Wayne

Now that Pacificon is underway and for those unable to attend, can you (or anyone!!) share a snap or two of what was displayed in San Ramon?

Paul
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> On Oct 17, 2019, at 11:19 PM, Wayne Burdick <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> One of many K4 features we're putting the finishing touches on is the dual panadapter display, which will make its debut at Pacificon. Please stop by our booth this weekend if you get a chance.
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Re: Dual panadapter on K4 at Pacificon

Nr4c
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If you want accurate time for logging, your still gonna need to keep Windows on time. The logger isn’t going to get time synch from the radio.

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Oct 18, 2019, at 6:02 PM, Bill Weaver <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> The flip side of that is with ntp being around since the stone age and the K4 having that feature implicitly, why not have it dead on? I have to use a 3rd party program to keep windows close which is a joke in the 21st century.  
>
>
>
> 73,
>
> Bill WE5P
>
>
>
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>
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>
>>
>> On Oct 18, 2019 at 17:50, David Gilbert  <[hidden email]>  wrote:
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>>
>> I've never understood the obsession with clocks and clock accuracy on the K3/K3s/K4 series of rigs, yet it keeps popping up here from time to time. I would think that 98+% of the operations with these rigs involves the use of computer logging programs, almost all of which boldly, conspicuously, and accurately display the time and autolog it. I could see the need for it on a KX2 or KX3, but why is it such a big deal on the base stations? Just curious. I'm a long time K3 owner and I never use the internal clock. 73, Dave AB7E On 10/18/2019 1:18 PM, Doug Turnbull wrote:  >  Chuck,  >  Do you mean a 24 hour clock? I too would like this.  >   >  73 Doug EI2CN ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.htm!
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Re: Dual panadapter on K4 at Pacificon

Doug Turnbull
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The internal clock in the K3 was just not good enough without resetting
regularly for even recording log times for CW QSOs on yes, believe it or not
paper.

          73 Doug EI2CN

PS I am not looking for FT8 clock accuracy though that would be nice.

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Sent: 18 October 2019 23:46
To: David Gilbert; elecraft
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Dual panadapter on K4 at Pacificon

 
 
I agree about it's utility :-).
 

 
73,
 
Bill WE5P
 
 
 

 
 
 
 
 
>  
> On Oct 18, 2019 at 18:31, David Gilbert  <[hidden email]>
wrote:
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>  
>  Yeah, I understand that. If you're going to have a clock it might as well
be accurate. I just don't understand why anyone cares about the clock to
start with. At least not unless or until Elecraft enables some embedded app
in the K4 that needs it. I doubt anyone needs +/- a couple seconds accuracy
for anything that would involve manually transcribing the time from the rig.
Agree about Windows. When I power on my Win10 laptop that I use for FT8 the
damn thing is about 2.5 seconds off until Meinberg decides to step in and
fix things. Pretty sad. 73, Dave AB7E On 10/18/2019 2:59 PM, Bill Weaver
wrote:  >  The flip side of that is with ntp being around since the stone
age and  >  the K4 having that feature implicitly, why not have it dead on?
I have  >  to use a 3rd party program to keep windows close which is a joke
in  >  the 21st century.  >   >  73,  >  Bill WE5P  >   >   >>  On Oct 18,
2019 at 17:50, David Gilbert  >   >  wrote:  >>   >>  I've never understood
the obsess!
 ion with
clocks and clock accuracy on  >>  the K3/K3s/K4 series of rigs, yet it keeps
popping up here from time to  >>  time. I would think that 98+% of the
operations with these rigs  >>  involves the use of computer logging
programs, almost all of which  >>  boldly, conspicuously, and accurately
display the time and autolog it.  >>  I could see the need for it on a KX2
or KX3, but why is it such a big  >>  deal on the base stations?  >>   >>
Just curious. I'm a long time K3 owner and I never use the internal clock.
>>   >>  73,  >>  Dave AB7E  >>   >>   >>  On 10/18/2019 1:18 PM, Doug
Turnbull wrote:  >>   >  Chuck,  >>   >  Do you mean a 24 hour clock? I too
would like this.  >>   >   >>   >  73 Doug EI2CN  >>   >>
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Re: Dual panadapter on K4 at Pacificon

David Woolley (E.L)
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There is something wrong if you have to re-run a Windows installer every
time that you boot Windows!  The Meinberg product is just an installer;
the actual software installed is the open source NTP reference
implementation, currently owned by the University of Delaware, and
developed under the leadership of David Mills W3HCF.

The reference version means the version used to verify the
implementability of the specification in the RFC document.

--
David Woolley
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On 18/10/2019 23:31, David Gilbert wrote:
> Agree about Windows.  When I power on my Win10 laptop that I use for FT8
> the damn thing is about 2.5 seconds off until Meinberg decides to step
> in and fix things.  Pretty sad.
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Re: Radio clocks, internet and security!

Tommy
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   I too agree with Don 100%! I also wouldn't buy a so called "smart"
TV. And I'll trust my Linux machine far more than any Windows or Mac.
Even Chromebooks (they are Linux based) are more secure than Windows and
Macs. And "smart phones" are too smart for their own good too. I just
bought my first one earlier this year. I like the internet but don't
need to be connected to it every second of the day.

73! de Tom - KB2SMS


On 10/18/19 8:59 PM, Bill Johnson wrote:

> Don,
> Plus you actually get exercise when you walk to your devices rather than rely on some software that does in fact invade your privacy. I am with you on this 100%.
>
> 72 & 73,
> Bill
> K9YEQ
> FT’er for K2, KX1, KX3, KXPA100,  KAT500, W2, etc.
>
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> Cc: Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]>; [hidden email]
> Subject: [Elecraft] Radio clocks, internet and security!
>
> Chuck and all,
>
> How many actually use the clock in the K3, K3S, KX3 or KX2?
> I certainly don't.  In the case of the KX3 it is used to time the charging of the internal batteries - good use.
>
> I can see a ham without a watch or cell phone to want the rig to display the time for logging, but for me, my good old Timex on my wrist tells me what time to log.  The clock in my KX3 is more difficult to access than simply glancing at my wrist!
>
> I have never even set the clock in my K3 or KX3!  Nor do I feel a need to do so.
>
> As far as the K4 Linux software/firmware being internet connected, I have my reservations about that.  I have enough stuff connected to the internet, and someone will have to demonstrate the benefit of my ham radio being connected to the internet in addition to my computers.
>
> If connection of the K4 to the internet is to be done, I have concerns about security and personal privacy.  Even Linux is subject to bad stuff from the internet - it is not entirely secure, it is just that the number of users is small compared to other OS versions and hackers just do not bother for most cases.
>
> When my refrigerator or microwave begins to listen in to my conversations, I begin to worry about the BIG Brother consequences.
>
> BTW, I do not have an Alexa or Siri device for those security reasons.
> I can easily use a switch on the wall to operate a light switch and it is secure. I can turn on my home theater or my computer AV application when I want to hear music or view videos.
>
> Call me old-fashioned, but I like to have control of my environment.
> The Internet Of Things seems to be fraught with exposures and dangers that I am not willing to accept.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 10/18/2019 2:03 PM, hawley, charles j jr wrote:
>> Is a more accurate clock possible? I imagine that depends on available chips but it’s a common topic.
>>
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