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Feature Request: Shifting VFO

k4vd
Consider one of the settings for your computer mouse is shifting
resolution. This allows you to move the mouse real fast to get from one end
of three monitors to the other. And then, when you slow down, the mouse
goes into micro-resolution mode and you can be very precise in your
movements. This may be a Logitech feature.

I was thinking the same concept could be used for the VFO. I'm familiar
with the Fine/Course and RATE buttons but I was thinking (danger Will
Robinson) that it would be nice to quickly shift to the next RTTY signal
and then automatically switch to the FINE selection based on how fast you
turn the VFO.

Just a though.

73,
Kev N4TT
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Re: Feature Request: Shifting VFO

Mark Musick
If I remember correctly, my Yaesu FT-1000MP did this.
The faster you turned the VFO knob the higher the incremental change in the VFO frequency.

Mark, WB9CIF

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Subject: [Elecraft] Feature Request: Shifting VFO

Consider one of the settings for your computer mouse is shifting resolution. This allows you to move the mouse real fast to get from one end of three monitors to the other. And then, when you slow down, the mouse goes into micro-resolution mode and you can be very precise in your movements. This may be a Logitech feature.

I was thinking the same concept could be used for the VFO. I'm familiar with the Fine/Course and RATE buttons but I was thinking (danger Will
Robinson) that it would be nice to quickly shift to the next RTTY signal and then automatically switch to the FINE selection based on how fast you turn the VFO.

Just a though.

73,
Kev N4TT
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Re: Feature Request: Shifting VFO

Don Wilhelm
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Kev and all,

No vote on that dynamic VFO tuning for me.  It would only be suitable
for me if I could turn it off.
I have used a couple transceivers that had that type of tuning and it
drove me nuts.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/20/2019 1:38 PM, Kevin, N4TT wrote:

> Consider one of the settings for your computer mouse is shifting
> resolution. This allows you to move the mouse real fast to get from one end
> of three monitors to the other. And then, when you slow down, the mouse
> goes into micro-resolution mode and you can be very precise in your
> movements. This may be a Logitech feature.
>
> I was thinking the same concept could be used for the VFO. I'm familiar
> with the Fine/Course and RATE buttons but I was thinking (danger Will
> Robinson) that it would be nice to quickly shift to the next RTTY signal
> and then automatically switch to the FINE selection based on how fast you
> turn the VFO.
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Re: Feature Request: Shifting VFO

Joe Subich, W4TV-4

I agree with Don.  The K3/K3S already supports three tuning rates
depending on the operation of the Fine/Coarse control (HOLD/Coarse =
100 Hz/step, Fine = 10 Hz/step, Double tap Fine = 1 Hz/step).  In
addition, MENU:VFO CRS will select 1 KHz or 10 Hz/step and MENU:VFO
CTS will select 100/200/400 steps per revolution of the encoder.

Finally MENU:VFO OFS will allow the RIT control to move the VFO by
the COARSE setting when RIT is OFF.

The K3/K3S is already far more flexible and user friendly than any
variable speed VFO implementation (one reason I have rejected the
Yaesu FTdx101!).

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 2019-07-20 1:48 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:

> Kev and all,
>
> No vote on that dynamic VFO tuning for me.  It would only be suitable
> for me if I could turn it off.
> I have used a couple transceivers that had that type of tuning and it
> drove me nuts.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 7/20/2019 1:38 PM, Kevin, N4TT wrote:
>> Consider one of the settings for your computer mouse is shifting
>> resolution. This allows you to move the mouse real fast to get from
>> one end
>> of three monitors to the other. And then, when you slow down, the mouse
>> goes into micro-resolution mode and you can be very precise in your
>> movements. This may be a Logitech feature.
>>
>> I was thinking the same concept could be used for the VFO. I'm familiar
>> with the Fine/Course and RATE buttons but I was thinking (danger Will
>> Robinson) that it would be nice to quickly shift to the next RTTY signal
>> and then automatically switch to the FINE selection based on how fast you
>> turn the VFO.
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Re: Feature Request: Shifting VFO

Bob McGraw - K4TAX
I agree with Don and Joe.   One of my radios some 10 years ago had the
feature.  It could be turned on or off.  Yet some really didn't like it
and some thought it was the best thing since sliced bread.    To me, my
K3S in its present configuration fits ALL of my needs.

73

Bob, K4TAX


On 7/20/2019 2:26 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:

>
> I agree with Don.  The K3/K3S already supports three tuning rates
> depending on the operation of the Fine/Coarse control (HOLD/Coarse =
> 100 Hz/step, Fine = 10 Hz/step, Double tap Fine = 1 Hz/step).  In
> addition, MENU:VFO CRS will select 1 KHz or 10 Hz/step and MENU:VFO
> CTS will select 100/200/400 steps per revolution of the encoder.
>
> Finally MENU:VFO OFS will allow the RIT control to move the VFO by
> the COARSE setting when RIT is OFF.
>
> The K3/K3S is already far more flexible and user friendly than any
> variable speed VFO implementation (one reason I have rejected the
> Yaesu FTdx101!).
>
> 73,
>
>    ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
> On 2019-07-20 1:48 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>> Kev and all,
>>
>> No vote on that dynamic VFO tuning for me.  It would only be suitable
>> for me if I could turn it off.
>> I have used a couple transceivers that had that type of tuning and it
>> drove me nuts.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR

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Re: Feature Request: Shifting VFO

Charlie T, K3ICH
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I used to like that feature with the Icom's, but touch-screens make it
redundant now.

73, Charlie k3ICH




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Kev and all,

No vote on that dynamic VFO tuning for me.  It would only be suitable for me
if I could turn it off.
I have used a couple transceivers that had that type of tuning and it drove
me nuts.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/20/2019 1:38 PM, Kevin, N4TT wrote:

> Consider one of the settings for your computer mouse is shifting
> resolution. This allows you to move the mouse real fast to get from
> one end of three monitors to the other. And then, when you slow down,
> the mouse goes into micro-resolution mode and you can be very precise
> in your movements. This may be a Logitech feature.
>
> I was thinking the same concept could be used for the VFO. I'm
> familiar with the Fine/Course and RATE buttons but I was thinking
> (danger Will
> Robinson) that it would be nice to quickly shift to the next RTTY
> signal and then automatically switch to the FINE selection based on
> how fast you turn the VFO.
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Re: Feature Request: Shifting VFO

Doug Person-5
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And yet I find it a valuable feature on my other radios. It takes some
serious intent to get the tuning rate to shift. Sensitivity can be
adjustable and the increment value as well. I personally find it
annoying to have to keep hitting a button to change the tuning rate. It
would be quite easy to make this an adjustable, customization feature
with a few menu options - off being one of them. Most current radios
have this feature.

Doug -- KJ0F

On 7/20/2019 2:50 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:

> I agree with Don and Joe.   One of my radios some 10 years ago had the
> feature.  It could be turned on or off.  Yet some really didn't like
> it and some thought it was the best thing since sliced bread.    To
> me, my K3S in its present configuration fits ALL of my needs.
>
> 73
>
> Bob, K4TAX
>
>
> On 7/20/2019 2:26 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
>>
>> I agree with Don.  The K3/K3S already supports three tuning rates
>> depending on the operation of the Fine/Coarse control (HOLD/Coarse =
>> 100 Hz/step, Fine = 10 Hz/step, Double tap Fine = 1 Hz/step). In
>> addition, MENU:VFO CRS will select 1 KHz or 10 Hz/step and MENU:VFO
>> CTS will select 100/200/400 steps per revolution of the encoder.
>>
>> Finally MENU:VFO OFS will allow the RIT control to move the VFO by
>> the COARSE setting when RIT is OFF.
>>
>> The K3/K3S is already far more flexible and user friendly than any
>> variable speed VFO implementation (one reason I have rejected the
>> Yaesu FTdx101!).
>>
>> 73,
>>
>>    ... Joe, W4TV
>>
>>
>> On 2019-07-20 1:48 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>>> Kev and all,
>>>
>>> No vote on that dynamic VFO tuning for me.  It would only be
>>> suitable for me if I could turn it off.
>>> I have used a couple transceivers that had that type of tuning and
>>> it drove me nuts.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Don W3FPR
>
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Re: Feature Request: Shifting VFO

Ignacy
Is it a feature of ICOMs?
Neat as QSY to a far away frequency can be done without pressing any extra
button.
On the other hand, band-segment memories and clicking on spots makes
long-range QSYing less important.
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Re: Feature Request: Shifting VFO

k4vd
A scenario from yesterday's contest.

I have the P3 set up to view about 3 or more KHz of spectrum. I use a K-pod
to run my way up from low to high. I like the FINE setting to get that
signal right where I want it but would like a course transition up to that
signal. I could push a button to turn off FINE or turn on COARSE, run to
the signal, push a button again to go back to FINE and finish the tuning. I
could set up the macro buttons on the KPOD to do this so I didn't have to
reach for the radio but still have to turn the functions on/off. Or, I
could propose a method of changing VFO resolution based on turn rate. I
like proposing things. One out of 100 gets a "hey, not a bad idea" comment.
:)

Options to change rates or even disable rate changes sounds fine to me.
There are features of the radio I don't use or turn off and they don't
affect me while operating. Others find those features useful so I'm all for
them being included. Clicking on spots is a possibility but not often
permitted (or changes class) in contests. I should be clear, the value of
this feature for me is in contesting where I'd prefer to keep my two hands
in place rather than flittering around different controls.

"MENU:VFO CTS will select 100/200/400 steps per revolution of the encoder."
Simply (tongue in cheek) add the option 100/200/400/variable. Maybe the
variable shifts between 100, 200, 400 based on VFO speed.

At any rate, the request stands. I would like to see a variable tuning rate
in the K3s, KX3 and K4HD which I plan to purchase after it is available or
test one out if Elecraft wants to send me one to play with.

Thanks for considering.

73,
Kev N4TT

On Sun, Jul 21, 2019 at 10:52 AM Ignacy <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Is it a feature of ICOMs?
> Neat as QSY to a far away frequency can be done without pressing any extra
> button.
> On the other hand, band-segment memories and clicking on spots makes
> long-range QSYing less important.
> Ignacy, NO9E
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Re: Feature Request: Shifting VFO

Don Wilhelm
Kev,

Since you use the K-Pod, why don't you set CONFIG:VFO OFS to ON, and
then set CONFIG:VFO CRS for whatever Coarse setting you want (that is a
per mode setting).

Then on the K-Pod, when you want a fast QSY, just flip the bottom switch
to the RIT position and move the knob with the coarse steps - it can
work as long as you do not have RIT or XIT turned on.
Switch the rocker back to VFO A (or B) to finish the fine tuning.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/21/2019 11:47 AM, Kevin, N4TT wrote:

> A scenario from yesterday's contest.
>
> I have the P3 set up to view about 3 or more KHz of spectrum. I use a K-pod
> to run my way up from low to high. I like the FINE setting to get that
> signal right where I want it but would like a course transition up to that
> signal. I could push a button to turn off FINE or turn on COARSE, run to
> the signal, push a button again to go back to FINE and finish the tuning. I
> could set up the macro buttons on the KPOD to do this so I didn't have to
> reach for the radio but still have to turn the functions on/off. Or, I
> could propose a method of changing VFO resolution based on turn rate. I
> like proposing things. One out of 100 gets a "hey, not a bad idea" comment.
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Re: Feature Request: Shifting VFO

k6dgw
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<FWIW>  I had an Yaesu satellite-capable HF/VHF/UHF radio for quite
awhile [FT-847??] that had a spring-loaded ring around the main tuning
knob that would QSY faster the more you turned it.  Yaesu called it the
"Jog Ring" or something like that.  Despite how good the concept sounds,
I found it worse than useless ... it really [really] got in the way of
using the radio. </FWIW>

73,
Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 7/21/2019 8:47 AM, Kevin, N4TT wrote:
> Or, I
> could propose a method of changing VFO resolution based on turn rate. I
> like proposing things. One out of 100 gets a "hey, not a bad idea" comment.
> :)
>

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Re: Feature Request: Shifting VFO

K9ZTV
Inrad had a mod about 20 years ago for the FT-1000/D which they called a
"Tuning Upgrader" that provided a slower tuning rate than stock when you
turned the main knob slower, restored the stock tuning rate when you
turned the knob faster, and a higher tuning rate (25 KHz) when you spun
the knob even faster.  It was a great modification which the FT-1000
needed, but unfortunately is no longer offered.

No enhancements are needed to the K3's tuning rate(s), in my opinion.

73,

Kent  K9ZTV


On 7/21/2019 11:50 AM, Fred Jensen wrote:

> <FWIW> I had an Yaesu satellite-capable HF/VHF/UHF radio for quite
> awhile [FT-847??] that had a spring-loaded ring around the main tuning
> knob that would QSY faster the more you turned it.  Yaesu called it
> the "Jog Ring" or something like that.  Despite how good the concept
> sounds, I found it worse than useless ... it really [really] got in
> the way of using the radio. </FWIW>
>
> 73,
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
>
> On 7/21/2019 8:47 AM, Kevin, N4TT wrote:
>> Or, I
>> could propose a method of changing VFO resolution based on turn rate. I
>> like proposing things. One out of 100 gets a "hey, not a bad idea"
>> comment.
>> :)
>>
>
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Re: Feature Request: Shifting VFO

Dick Dievendorff-4
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KPOD macros could stitch together 50 kHz with of UPn;UPn; or DNn or use direct frequency entry with FA for the bottom of the phone and CW band segments for a few bands.

What I do in contests is type a frequency into the callsign input area of N1MM; the hands stay on the keyboard. I also sometimes slowly tune the radio with up and down keyboard keys when I’m using a computer.

When in an assisted contest, you can jump to the next spot you haven’t worked in the bandmap with a single keystroke.

I don’t always use a computer for operating, but when I care about the time it takes is usually in a contest when I’m using a computer logger.

73 de Dick,  K6KR

> On Jul 21, 2019, at 17:27, Walter Underwood <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> There is a similar computer feature called “mouse acceleration”. It has been around for at least 20 years and people still haven’t agreed on whether it is a good or bad thing.
>
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>> On Jul 21, 2019, at 7:50 AM, Ignacy <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Is it a feature of ICOMs?
>> Neat as QSY to a far away frequency can be done without pressing any extra
>> button.
>> On the other hand, band-segment memories and clicking on spots makes
>> long-range QSYing less important.
>> Ignacy, NO9E
>>
>>
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Re: Feature Request: Shifting VFO

Bill Frantz
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I think the P3 center mode has this feature.

73 Bill AE6JV

On 7/20/19 at 10:38 AM, [hidden email] (Kevin, N4TT) wrote:

> Consider one of the settings for your computer mouse is shifting
> resolution. This allows you to move the mouse real fast to get from one end
> of three monitors to the other. And then, when you slow down, the mouse
> goes into micro-resolution mode and you can be very precise in your
> movements. This may be a Logitech feature.
>
> I was thinking the same concept could be used for the VFO. I'm familiar
> with the Fine/Course and RATE buttons but I was thinking (danger Will
> Robinson) that it would be nice to quickly shift to the next RTTY signal
> and then automatically switch to the FINE selection based on how fast you
> turn the VFO.
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