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Just a peripheral note- the K3 seems not to have a handedness. It works fine for either left or right-handed people.  The K4 seems obviously a right-handed radio with the main tuning knob on the right. I am sure they couldn't make a radio with a mirror image of the front panel for lefties. Or could they?  Doug K6JEY
    
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Re: Handedness

NW0M

Just a peripheral note- the K3 seems not to have a handedness. It works fine
for either left or right-handed people.  The K4 seems obviously a
right-handed radio with the main tuning knob on the right. I am sure they
couldn't make a radio with a mirror image of the front panel for lefties. Or
could they?  Doug K6JEY
    

***Surely you jest....



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Re: Handedness

wayne burdick
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Even in the case of the K3, the VFO and RIT controls are on the right side of center. In the K4, with its large display, there’s really no choice but to group the controls on one side or the other.

It is possible to invert the transceiver to favor left hand operation. A system of mirrors can then be used to restore panel text orientation.  

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> On May 31, 2019, at 6:54 AM, NW0M <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> Just a peripheral note- the K3 seems not to have a handedness. It works fine
> for either left or right-handed people.  The K4 seems obviously a
> right-handed radio with the main tuning knob on the right. I am sure they
> couldn't make a radio with a mirror image of the front panel for lefties. Or
> could they?  Doug K6JEY
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> ***Surely you jest....
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Re: Handedness

Ted G7BQM
Or use a left handed K-Pod.

73, Ted G7BQM




> On 31 May 2019, at 15:37, Wayne Burdick <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> Even in the case of the K3, the VFO and RIT controls are on the right side of center. In the K4, with its large display, there’s really no choice but to group the controls on one side or the other.
>
> It is possible to invert the transceiver to favor left hand operation. A system of mirrors can then be used to restore panel text orientation.  
>
> Wayne
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>> On May 31, 2019, at 6:54 AM, NW0M <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Just a peripheral note- the K3 seems not to have a handedness. It works fine
>> for either left or right-handed people.  The K4 seems obviously a
>> right-handed radio with the main tuning knob on the right. I am sure they
>> couldn't make a radio with a mirror image of the front panel for lefties. Or
>> could they?  Doug K6JEY
>>
>>
>> ***Surely you jest....
>>
>>
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Re: Handedness

George Thornton
If Elecraft reflects things to get left hand orientation, does that mean all the letters on the front panel will be reversed?  Will lefties also need a mirror to read the labels?

Just a joke from a right hander.


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Or use a left handed K-Pod.

73, Ted G7BQM




> On 31 May 2019, at 15:37, Wayne Burdick <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> Even in the case of the K3, the VFO and RIT controls are on the right side of center. In the K4, with its large display, there’s really no choice but to group the controls on one side or the other.
>
> It is possible to invert the transceiver to favor left hand operation. A system of mirrors can then be used to restore panel text orientation.  
>
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>> On May 31, 2019, at 6:54 AM, NW0M <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Just a peripheral note- the K3 seems not to have a handedness. It
>> works fine for either left or right-handed people.  The K4 seems
>> obviously a right-handed radio with the main tuning knob on the
>> right. I am sure they couldn't make a radio with a mirror image of
>> the front panel for lefties. Or could they?  Doug K6JEY
>>
>>
>> ***Surely you jest....
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Re: Handedness

Don Wilhelm
Even being left handed, I have no problem using my right hand on the
knobs.  That leaves my left hand free to do other things requiring a
greater degree of hand/finger coordination.

I like it the way it is.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/31/2019 11:42 AM, George Thornton wrote:
> If Elecraft reflects things to get left hand orientation, does that mean all the letters on the front panel will be reversed?  Will lefties also need a mirror to read the labels?
>
> Just a joke from a right hander.
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Re: Handedness

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I realized soon after I posted about the K4's "Handedness" that I have a K-pod, which should solve the problem nicely. Thanks E'craft! Always ahead of the game. Doug



 

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Re: Handedness

K9MA
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Gee, I’m left handed, and I LIKE to tune with my right, so I can send with my left.

73,

Scott K9MA

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> On May 31, 2019, at 9:37 AM, Wayne Burdick <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Even in the case of the K3, the VFO and RIT controls are on the right side of center. In the K4, with its large display, there’s really no choice but to group the controls on one side or the other.
>
> It is possible to invert the transceiver to favor left hand operation. A system of mirrors can then be used to restore panel text orientation.  
>
> Wayne
> N6KR
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>> On May 31, 2019, at 6:54 AM, NW0M <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Just a peripheral note- the K3 seems not to have a handedness. It works fine
>> for either left or right-handed people.  The K4 seems obviously a
>> right-handed radio with the main tuning knob on the right. I am sure they
>> couldn't make a radio with a mirror image of the front panel for lefties. Or
>> could they?  Doug K6JEY
>>
>>
>> ***Surely you jest....
>>
>>
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Re: Handedness

k6dgw
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Not to worry.  We southpaws have highly developed and superior
adaptation skills since the world is run by northpaws in a tyranny of
the majority.

73,
Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 5/31/2019 12:16 AM, Doug Millar via Elecraft wrote:
> Just a peripheral note- the K3 seems not to have a handedness. It works fine for either left or right-handed people.  The K4 seems obviously a right-handed radio with the main tuning knob on the right. I am sure they couldn't make a radio with a mirror image of the front panel for lefties. Or could they?  Doug K6JEY
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Re: Handedness

Rick WA6NHC-2
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Also being left handed, I've used the K3 on both sides, but prefer the
radio on the left, leaving the traditional 'mouse' hand on the right;
useful for those who can still manage more than one task at a time. ;-)

In other words, the K3 has no bias towards either hand for the essential
controls.

Rick nhc
North Idaho

On 5/31/2019 10:22 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote:

> Even being left handed, I have no problem using my right hand on the
> knobs.  That leaves my left hand free to do other things requiring a
> greater degree of hand/finger coordination.
>
> I like it the way it is.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 5/31/2019 11:42 AM, George Thornton wrote:
>> If Elecraft reflects things to get left hand orientation, does that
>> mean all the letters on the front panel will be reversed?  Will
>> lefties also need a mirror to read the labels?
>>
>> Just a joke from a right hander.
>>
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Re: Handedness

ke9uw
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I learned the cw paddles with my right hand. My friend W8RO suggested I switch to my not dominant left hand so I can write with my right hand. I flipped the wires and found that I was just as good with my left hand (no difference right to left). Something about the brain and learning, eh?

Chuck Jack
KE9UW

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> On May 31, 2019, at 12:22 PM, Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Even being left handed, I have no problem using my right hand on the knobs.  That leaves my left hand free to do other things requiring a greater degree of hand/finger coordination.
>
> I like it the way it is.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
>> On 5/31/2019 11:42 AM, George Thornton wrote:
>> If Elecraft reflects things to get left hand orientation, does that mean all the letters on the front panel will be reversed?  Will lefties also need a mirror to read the labels?
>> Just a joke from a right hander.
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Re: Handedness

Bill Frantz
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OK. I realize this is tongue in cheek, but...

We can move the feet to the top, flip the display in its
mounting, and flip all the buttons. All that is left is to
change the labels on the panel and handle the complaints that
the tuning knob, RTI etc. are in the wrong places. :-)

73 Bill AE6JV

On 5/31/19 at 7:37 AM, [hidden email] (Wayne Burdick) wrote:

>It is possible to invert the transceiver to favor left hand
>operation. A system of mirrors can then be used to restore
>panel text orientation.

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Re: Handedness

w7aqk
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Hi All,

Hmmm!  Even if it were true (that the K4 favored right handers), that
wouldn't be a disadvantage to me, and I am very left handed!!  I've almost
always favored setting up my radios on my right side, and operating the
controls with my right hand.  My left hand is then free to either write,
send on my paddle, or whatever!  Now, I do have the ability to do certain
things right handed, but not the kind of things that require great
precision.  I even play golf right handed, and bat right handed in baseball,
but that is more a matter of how I was taught and the equipment available.

I've often thought I should learn to send CW right handed, but never have
done it.  I can run an adding machine right handed, but again that was
almost forced on me by the design.  In short, I don't know why people want
to rely so heavily on their dominant hand.  It really is inconvenient to do
so.  Controlling a radio with your "opposite" hand can't be that difficult a
task, and the benefits of doing so are many.  You want your dominate hand to
be free and available for the kinds of tasks that really require the most
dexterity.  Spinning  a dial isn't one of them!!!!

Dave W7AQK


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Re: Handedness

Nr4c
My thoughts on gandedness:

My complaint about most Radio’s is placement of phone and mic jacks on front panels adjacent to control knobs. The RF and AUDIO gain controls are still right next to the mic and phone along with a potential YSB cable.

Put these connectors near “push” button controls. Or on the back panel.


I’m 76 years old with moderate loss of feeling in fingertips and a lot of arthritis so adjusting the gains on my K3S is difficult.  Maybe there will be a “slider” on my K4 panel.

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> On Jun 1, 2019, at 11:37 AM, w7aqk <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> Hi All,
>
> Hmmm!  Even if it were true (that the K4 favored right handers), that wouldn't be a disadvantage to me, and I am very left handed!!  I've almost always favored setting up my radios on my right side, and operating the controls with my right hand.  My left hand is then free to either write, send on my paddle, or whatever!  Now, I do have the ability to do certain things right handed, but not the kind of things that require great precision.  I even play golf right handed, and bat right handed in baseball, but that is more a matter of how I was taught and the equipment available.
>
> I've often thought I should learn to send CW right handed, but never have done it.  I can run an adding machine right handed, but again that was almost forced on me by the design.  In short, I don't know why people want to rely so heavily on their dominant hand.  It really is inconvenient to do so.  Controlling a radio with your "opposite" hand can't be that difficult a task, and the benefits of doing so are many.  You want your dominate hand to be free and available for the kinds of tasks that really require the most dexterity.  Spinning  a dial isn't one of them!!!!
>
> Dave W7AQK
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Re: Handedness

Gary Smith-2
With ergonomics & my 68 years, I prefer
commonly utilized "objects" be closer to
the table top level. I rarely use the
offset but do often use the VFO B when in
a pileup and I want to move away from
someone who just started calling on my
calling frequency. For me, with the K4, I
would much rather see the offset knob be
exchanged with the now higher, VFO B as it
will require me to lift my arm & wrist
where if it were at the bottom, I could
maintain the same ergonomic position. In a
contest or long day at the radio, extra
motions become uncomfortable over time.

Maybe it's possible for the two knobs to
be optionally switched in the
configuration options?

20 years ago it wouldn't have mattered to
me either way. After an immortal youth
with Karate, motocross accidents & sports
injuries, time eventually does have its
way with us.

73,

Gary
KA1J

> My thoughts on gandedness:
>
> My complaint about most Radio´s is placement of phone and mic jacks
> on front panels adjacent to control knobs. The RF and AUDIO gain
> controls are still right next to the mic and phone along with a
> potential YSB cable.
>
> Put these connectors near "push" button controls. Or on the back
> panel.
>
>
> I´m 76 years old with moderate loss of feeling in fingertips and a
> lot of arthritis so adjusting the gains on my K3S is difficult.  Maybe
> there will be a "slider" on my K4 panel.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> ...nr4c. bill
>
>
> > On Jun 1, 2019, at 11:37 AM, w7aqk <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > Hmmm!  Even if it were true (that the K4 favored right handers),
> > that wouldn't be a disadvantage to me, and I am very left handed!!
> > I've almost always favored setting up my radios on my right side,
> > and operating the controls with my right hand.  My left hand is then
> > free to either write, send on my paddle, or whatever!  Now, I do
> > have the ability to do certain things right handed, but not the kind
> > of things that require great precision.  I even play golf right
> > handed, and bat right handed in baseball, but that is more a matter
> > of how I was taught and the equipment available.
> >
> > I've often thought I should learn to send CW right handed, but never
> > have done it.  I can run an adding machine right handed, but again
> > that was almost forced on me by the design.  In short, I don't know
> > why people want to rely so heavily on their dominant hand.  It
> > really is inconvenient to do so.  Controlling a radio with your
> > "opposite" hand can't be that difficult a task, and the benefits of
> > doing so are many.  You want your dominate hand to be free and
> > available for the kinds of tasks that really require the most
> > dexterity.  Spinning  a dial isn't one of them!!!!
> >
> > Dave W7AQK
> >
> >
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Re: Handedness

David Bunte
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Bill -

I'll turn 76 this month, and have significant peripheral neuropathy, so I
can understand what you are concerned about... but it has never been an
issue with me and my K3 because I have NEVER connected ANYTHING to the
phone or mic jacks on the front of the radio. I have used the rear jacks
ever since I got my radio in 2011. That way the headset cables are routed
under my operating desk and are thus never in the way of my keyboard, or my
hands as I do operate the radio with my left (non-dominate) hand.

Using the rear jacks rather than the front ones may be a zero to very
low-cost solution to those connectors being in the way.

Best of luck.

Dave - K9FN

On Sat, Jun 1, 2019 at 11:59 AM Nr4c <[hidden email]> wrote:

> My thoughts on gandedness:
>
> My complaint about most Radio’s is placement of phone and mic jacks on
> front panels adjacent to control knobs. The RF and AUDIO gain controls are
> still right next to the mic and phone along with a potential YSB cable.
>
> Put these connectors near “push” button controls. Or on the back panel.
>
>
> I’m 76 years old with moderate loss of feeling in fingertips and a lot of
> arthritis so adjusting the gains on my K3S is difficult.  Maybe there will
> be a “slider” on my K4 panel.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> ...nr4c. bill
>
>
> > On Jun 1, 2019, at 11:37 AM, w7aqk <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > Hmmm!  Even if it were true (that the K4 favored right handers), that
> wouldn't be a disadvantage to me, and I am very left handed!!  I've almost
> always favored setting up my radios on my right side, and operating the
> controls with my right hand.  My left hand is then free to either write,
> send on my paddle, or whatever!  Now, I do have the ability to do certain
> things right handed, but not the kind of things that require great
> precision.  I even play golf right handed, and bat right handed in
> baseball, but that is more a matter of how I was taught and the equipment
> available.
> >
> > I've often thought I should learn to send CW right handed, but never
> have done it.  I can run an adding machine right handed, but again that was
> almost forced on me by the design.  In short, I don't know why people want
> to rely so heavily on their dominant hand.  It really is inconvenient to do
> so.  Controlling a radio with your "opposite" hand can't be that difficult
> a task, and the benefits of doing so are many.  You want your dominate hand
> to be free and available for the kinds of tasks that really require the
> most dexterity.  Spinning  a dial isn't one of them!!!!
> >
> > Dave W7AQK
> >
> >
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Re: Handedness

wayne burdick
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The K4 has rear panel mic, speaker, and USB-A jacks for those who don't want anything plugged in at the front.

Wayne
N6KR


> On Jun 1, 2019, at 10:54 AM, David Bunte <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Bill -
>
> I'll turn 76 this month, and have significant peripheral neuropathy, so I
> can understand what you are concerned about... but it has never been an
> issue with me and my K3 because I have NEVER connected ANYTHING to the
> phone or mic jacks on the front of the radio. I have used the rear jacks
> ever since I got my radio in 2011. That way the headset cables are routed
> under my operating desk and are thus never in the way of my keyboard, or my
> hands as I do operate the radio with my left (non-dominate) hand.
>
> Using the rear jacks rather than the front ones may be a zero to very
> low-cost solution to those connectors being in the way.
>
> Best of luck.
>
> Dave - K9FN
>
> On Sat, Jun 1, 2019 at 11:59 AM Nr4c <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> My thoughts on gandedness:
>>
>> My complaint about most Radio’s is placement of phone and mic jacks on
>> front panels adjacent to control knobs. The RF and AUDIO gain controls are
>> still right next to the mic and phone along with a potential YSB cable.
>>
>> Put these connectors near “push” button controls. Or on the back panel.
>>
>>
>> I’m 76 years old with moderate loss of feeling in fingertips and a lot of
>> arthritis so adjusting the gains on my K3S is difficult.  Maybe there will
>> be a “slider” on my K4 panel.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> ...nr4c. bill
>>
>>
>>> On Jun 1, 2019, at 11:37 AM, w7aqk <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> Hmmm!  Even if it were true (that the K4 favored right handers), that
>> wouldn't be a disadvantage to me, and I am very left handed!!  I've almost
>> always favored setting up my radios on my right side, and operating the
>> controls with my right hand.  My left hand is then free to either write,
>> send on my paddle, or whatever!  Now, I do have the ability to do certain
>> things right handed, but not the kind of things that require great
>> precision.  I even play golf right handed, and bat right handed in
>> baseball, but that is more a matter of how I was taught and the equipment
>> available.
>>>
>>> I've often thought I should learn to send CW right handed, but never
>> have done it.  I can run an adding machine right handed, but again that was
>> almost forced on me by the design.  In short, I don't know why people want
>> to rely so heavily on their dominant hand.  It really is inconvenient to do
>> so.  Controlling a radio with your "opposite" hand can't be that difficult
>> a task, and the benefits of doing so are many.  You want your dominate hand
>> to be free and available for the kinds of tasks that really require the
>> most dexterity.  Spinning  a dial isn't one of them!!!!
>>>
>>> Dave W7AQK
>>>
>>>
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Re: Handedness

Nr4c
Yes. But will it support two phones and two mics?

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Jun 1, 2019, at 2:01 PM, Wayne Burdick <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> The K4 has rear panel mic, speaker, and USB-A jacks for those who don't want anything plugged in at the front.
>
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
>> On Jun 1, 2019, at 10:54 AM, David Bunte <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Bill -
>>
>> I'll turn 76 this month, and have significant peripheral neuropathy, so I
>> can understand what you are concerned about... but it has never been an
>> issue with me and my K3 because I have NEVER connected ANYTHING to the
>> phone or mic jacks on the front of the radio. I have used the rear jacks
>> ever since I got my radio in 2011. That way the headset cables are routed
>> under my operating desk and are thus never in the way of my keyboard, or my
>> hands as I do operate the radio with my left (non-dominate) hand.
>>
>> Using the rear jacks rather than the front ones may be a zero to very
>> low-cost solution to those connectors being in the way.
>>
>> Best of luck.
>>
>> Dave - K9FN
>>
>>> On Sat, Jun 1, 2019 at 11:59 AM Nr4c <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> My thoughts on gandedness:
>>>
>>> My complaint about most Radio’s is placement of phone and mic jacks on
>>> front panels adjacent to control knobs. The RF and AUDIO gain controls are
>>> still right next to the mic and phone along with a potential YSB cable.
>>>
>>> Put these connectors near “push” button controls. Or on the back panel.
>>>
>>>
>>> I’m 76 years old with moderate loss of feeling in fingertips and a lot of
>>> arthritis so adjusting the gains on my K3S is difficult.  Maybe there will
>>> be a “slider” on my K4 panel.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> ...nr4c. bill
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Jun 1, 2019, at 11:37 AM, w7aqk <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi All,
>>>>
>>>> Hmmm!  Even if it were true (that the K4 favored right handers), that
>>> wouldn't be a disadvantage to me, and I am very left handed!!  I've almost
>>> always favored setting up my radios on my right side, and operating the
>>> controls with my right hand.  My left hand is then free to either write,
>>> send on my paddle, or whatever!  Now, I do have the ability to do certain
>>> things right handed, but not the kind of things that require great
>>> precision.  I even play golf right handed, and bat right handed in
>>> baseball, but that is more a matter of how I was taught and the equipment
>>> available.
>>>>
>>>> I've often thought I should learn to send CW right handed, but never
>>> have done it.  I can run an adding machine right handed, but again that was
>>> almost forced on me by the design.  In short, I don't know why people want
>>> to rely so heavily on their dominant hand.  It really is inconvenient to do
>>> so.  Controlling a radio with your "opposite" hand can't be that difficult
>>> a task, and the benefits of doing so are many.  You want your dominate hand
>>> to be free and available for the kinds of tasks that really require the
>>> most dexterity.  Spinning  a dial isn't one of them!!!!
>>>>
>>>> Dave W7AQK
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ______________________________________________________________
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Re: Handedness

wayne burdick
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Yes. You can have phones and mics plugged in both front/rear at the same time.

Wayne


> On Jun 1, 2019, at 2:53 PM, Nr4c <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Yes. But will it support two phones and two mics?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> ...nr4c. bill
>
>
>> On Jun 1, 2019, at 2:01 PM, Wayne Burdick <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> The K4 has rear panel mic, speaker, and USB-A jacks for those who don't want anything plugged in at the front.
>>
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>>
>>
>>> On Jun 1, 2019, at 10:54 AM, David Bunte <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Bill -
>>>
>>> I'll turn 76 this month, and have significant peripheral neuropathy, so I
>>> can understand what you are concerned about... but it has never been an
>>> issue with me and my K3 because I have NEVER connected ANYTHING to the
>>> phone or mic jacks on the front of the radio. I have used the rear jacks
>>> ever since I got my radio in 2011. That way the headset cables are routed
>>> under my operating desk and are thus never in the way of my keyboard, or my
>>> hands as I do operate the radio with my left (non-dominate) hand.
>>>
>>> Using the rear jacks rather than the front ones may be a zero to very
>>> low-cost solution to those connectors being in the way.
>>>
>>> Best of luck.
>>>
>>> Dave - K9FN
>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jun 1, 2019 at 11:59 AM Nr4c <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> My thoughts on gandedness:
>>>>
>>>> My complaint about most Radio’s is placement of phone and mic jacks on
>>>> front panels adjacent to control knobs. The RF and AUDIO gain controls are
>>>> still right next to the mic and phone along with a potential YSB cable.
>>>>
>>>> Put these connectors near “push” button controls. Or on the back panel.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I’m 76 years old with moderate loss of feeling in fingertips and a lot of
>>>> arthritis so adjusting the gains on my K3S is difficult.  Maybe there will
>>>> be a “slider” on my K4 panel.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> ...nr4c. bill
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 1, 2019, at 11:37 AM, w7aqk <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>
>>>>> Hmmm!  Even if it were true (that the K4 favored right handers), that
>>>> wouldn't be a disadvantage to me, and I am very left handed!!  I've almost
>>>> always favored setting up my radios on my right side, and operating the
>>>> controls with my right hand.  My left hand is then free to either write,
>>>> send on my paddle, or whatever!  Now, I do have the ability to do certain
>>>> things right handed, but not the kind of things that require great
>>>> precision.  I even play golf right handed, and bat right handed in
>>>> baseball, but that is more a matter of how I was taught and the equipment
>>>> available.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've often thought I should learn to send CW right handed, but never
>>>> have done it.  I can run an adding machine right handed, but again that was
>>>> almost forced on me by the design.  In short, I don't know why people want
>>>> to rely so heavily on their dominant hand.  It really is inconvenient to do
>>>> so.  Controlling a radio with your "opposite" hand can't be that difficult
>>>> a task, and the benefits of doing so are many.  You want your dominate hand
>>>> to be free and available for the kinds of tasks that really require the
>>>> most dexterity.  Spinning  a dial isn't one of them!!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave W7AQK
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ______________________________________________________________
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Re: Handedness

Nr4c
So for my home station, my PR77d still plugs into the front and my phones in the back, just like my K3S/K3 now.

Sure wish the second phone and 8-pin Foster plug were on rear.

And USB beside the Power button.

Oh, well. Still want it.

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Jun 2, 2019, at 11:47 AM, Wayne Burdick <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Yes. You can have phones and mics plugged in both front/rear at the same time.
>
> Wayne
>
>
>> On Jun 1, 2019, at 2:53 PM, Nr4c <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Yes. But will it support two phones and two mics?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> ...nr4c. bill
>>
>>
>>> On Jun 1, 2019, at 2:01 PM, Wayne Burdick <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> The K4 has rear panel mic, speaker, and USB-A jacks for those who don't want anything plugged in at the front.
>>>
>>> Wayne
>>> N6KR
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Jun 1, 2019, at 10:54 AM, David Bunte <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Bill -
>>>>
>>>> I'll turn 76 this month, and have significant peripheral neuropathy, so I
>>>> can understand what you are concerned about... but it has never been an
>>>> issue with me and my K3 because I have NEVER connected ANYTHING to the
>>>> phone or mic jacks on the front of the radio. I have used the rear jacks
>>>> ever since I got my radio in 2011. That way the headset cables are routed
>>>> under my operating desk and are thus never in the way of my keyboard, or my
>>>> hands as I do operate the radio with my left (non-dominate) hand.
>>>>
>>>> Using the rear jacks rather than the front ones may be a zero to very
>>>> low-cost solution to those connectors being in the way.
>>>>
>>>> Best of luck.
>>>>
>>>> Dave - K9FN
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Jun 1, 2019 at 11:59 AM Nr4c <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> My thoughts on gandedness:
>>>>>
>>>>> My complaint about most Radio’s is placement of phone and mic jacks on
>>>>> front panels adjacent to control knobs. The RF and AUDIO gain controls are
>>>>> still right next to the mic and phone along with a potential YSB cable.
>>>>>
>>>>> Put these connectors near “push” button controls. Or on the back panel.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I’m 76 years old with moderate loss of feeling in fingertips and a lot of
>>>>> arthritis so adjusting the gains on my K3S is difficult.  Maybe there will
>>>>> be a “slider” on my K4 panel.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> ...nr4c. bill
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jun 1, 2019, at 11:37 AM, w7aqk <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hmmm!  Even if it were true (that the K4 favored right handers), that
>>>>> wouldn't be a disadvantage to me, and I am very left handed!!  I've almost
>>>>> always favored setting up my radios on my right side, and operating the
>>>>> controls with my right hand.  My left hand is then free to either write,
>>>>> send on my paddle, or whatever!  Now, I do have the ability to do certain
>>>>> things right handed, but not the kind of things that require great
>>>>> precision.  I even play golf right handed, and bat right handed in
>>>>> baseball, but that is more a matter of how I was taught and the equipment
>>>>> available.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've often thought I should learn to send CW right handed, but never
>>>>> have done it.  I can run an adding machine right handed, but again that was
>>>>> almost forced on me by the design.  In short, I don't know why people want
>>>>> to rely so heavily on their dominant hand.  It really is inconvenient to do
>>>>> so.  Controlling a radio with your "opposite" hand can't be that difficult
>>>>> a task, and the benefits of doing so are many.  You want your dominate hand
>>>>> to be free and available for the kinds of tasks that really require the
>>>>> most dexterity.  Spinning  a dial isn't one of them!!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dave W7AQK
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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