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I am a little surprised that no mention was made on this e-mail list about the K1 being just recently discontinued.  Or if it had, I missed it and don't find it in a search of the list.

It is being discussed over the QRP-L list, started by someone disappointed that he just finally had tried to order a K1 this past week or weekend and got the news.

I presume that some key part has become unavailable, or has parts deemed not worth restocking any longer due to significant decline in demand for the transceiver.

Kevin Anderson

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Re: K1 Discontinued

wayne burdick
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Hi Kevin,

We should have made a formal announcement here. Yes, we discontinued it because certain parts are hard to come by now, making it no longer cost effective for us to manufacture.

It was a great product for us, and I used mine for years, taking it on many trips. I thought of it as a “Sierra on Steroids” at the time (referring to an earlier design I did for the NorCal QRP Club). But we’ve moved on to more versatile field radios, including the KX2 and KX3.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


> On Aug 30, 2017, at 8:36 AM, Kevin Anderson via Elecraft <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> I am a little surprised that no mention was made on this e-mail list about the K1 being just recently discontinued.  Or if it had, I missed it and don't find it in a search of the list.
>
> It is being discussed over the QRP-L list, started by someone disappointed that he just finally had tried to order a K1 this past week or weekend and got the news.
>
> I presume that some key part has become unavailable, or has parts deemed not worth restocking any longer due to significant decline in demand for the transceiver.
>
> Kevin Anderson



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Re: K1 Discontinued

Raymond Sills
Well, certainly, the handwriting was on the wall when you could no longer purchase a 4-band K1.  That said, I feel bad for Perley, who was saving up to get one.  At this point, I suspect he will have to go in a different direction, if he wants a rig to construct himself.  He's pretty much said that he is on a very tight budget, so even saving up for a KX2 might be out of the question.  And, it appears that not too many K1 owners are anxious to put their units on the second-hand market, either because they plan to keep them "forever"... or because at a reasonable "price realized" from a sale is low enough that they will just keep it.  :)


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Re: K1 Discontinued

N4OI - Ken
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I guess my kids or XYL will dig it out and put it on the market with the rest
of my stuff one day...  But man, until then, what a great QRP rig!!   4-band
K1 with ATU...  a real, take-anywhere radio!!

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Re: K1 Discontinued

Mike Morrow-3
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I saw the K1 first at Dsyton 2000, just after it was announced.  I ordered one immediately, but delivery did not happen for almost six months.  It is one of my favorite electronic devices from the past 50 years.

It covered 15 meters, and consumed only about 60 mA on receive, with backlight.

Two years ago mine took a lightening strike through the DC input which killed a couple of regulators, some diodes, and a DA converter on the front panel board.  But tests show the MPU still functions and displays and responds to the keys.  Perhaps I'll get around to fixing it someday.

Not many rigs (except the K2) have had a production and sales run of 17 years.  It will be missed, but I don't know how it was kept in production that long.  I suspect it had a unit cost to Elecraft not significantly less than the KX2.

Mike / KK5F
K1 serial 175

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> I guess my kids or XYL will dig it out and put it on the market with the
> rest of my stuff one day...  But man, until then, what a great QRP rig!!
> 4-band K1 with ATU...  a real, take-anywhere radio!!
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Re: K1 Discontinued

Buck
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It was a favorite of mine as well.  Very capable radio that was fun to
build and operate.  I am really sorry I sold it.  Maybe the skunk works
at Elecraft can come up with a modern version.  (hint hint).

I know what you are going to say, "They already did.  It is called a KX2."

Buck, k4ia
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On 8/30/2017 11:58 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:

> Hi Kevin,
>
> We should have made a formal announcement here. Yes, we discontinued it because certain parts are hard to come by now, making it no longer cost effective for us to manufacture.
>
> It was a great product for us, and I used mine for years, taking it on many trips. I thought of it as a “Sierra on Steroids” at the time (referring to an earlier design I did for the NorCal QRP Club). But we’ve moved on to more versatile field radios, including the KX2 and KX3.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
>> On Aug 30, 2017, at 8:36 AM, Kevin Anderson via Elecraft <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> I am a little surprised that no mention was made on this e-mail list about the K1 being just recently discontinued.  Or if it had, I missed it and don't find it in a search of the list.
>>
>> It is being discussed over the QRP-L list, started by someone disappointed that he just finally had tried to order a K1 this past week or weekend and got the news.
>>
>> I presume that some key part has become unavailable, or has parts deemed not worth restocking any longer due to significant decline in demand for the transceiver.
>>
>> Kevin Anderson
>
>
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Re: K1 Discontinued

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I sat on the fence for too long, and didn't acquire my K1 until earlier this year. I missed out on the 4 band module, but I at least came up with a means to more efficiently swap 2-band modules. It's a very fun rig to use, even without current technology.

KX2/KX3/KX(TBD) at some point? Perhaps, but my trusty old K2 still holds down the center spot in the shack.

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Re: K1 Discontinued

KC6CNN
Think I will post my K1 4 band and my two extra 2 Bandera for sale.

Gerald.

On Aug 30, 2017 3:39 PM, "Al Scanandoah" <[hidden email]> wrote:

I sat on the fence for too long, and didn't acquire my K1 until earlier
this year. I missed out on the 4 band module, but I at least came up with a
means to more efficiently swap 2-band modules. It's a very fun rig to use,
even without current technology.

KX2/KX3/KX(TBD) at some point? Perhaps, but my trusty old K2 still holds
down the center spot in the shack.

Al, K2ZN
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Re: K1 Discontinued

k6dgw
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R.I.P. K1.  I never had one, but on a SOTA activation with Rich, NU6T,
several years ago, we traded rigs for a bit and I got to run his K1. 
Really great little radio.  I was giving some consideration to selling
my K2/10 and getting a KX2, but then I spent some time with the K2 on
the air and 86'd that idea.  My K2 is likely to be part of my estate.

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 8/30/2017 1:37 PM, Al Scanandoah wrote:
> I sat on the fence for too long, and didn't acquire my K1 until earlier this year. I missed out on the 4 band module, but I at least came up with a means to more efficiently swap 2-band modules. It's a very fun rig to use, even without current technology.
>
> KX2/KX3/KX(TBD) at some point? Perhaps, but my trusty old K2 still holds down the center spot in the shack.
>
> Al, K2ZN

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WA2SI
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I don't think I'll ever give up my 4-band K1. Sorry to see it discontinued, however, thanks for developing it in the first place. Kudo to Elecraft.

Vy 73 de Bert
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Re: K1 Discontinued

Jim Allen
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I found a K1 listed a day or so ago on QRZ, the same day his gripe was sent out, with 4 bands, IIRC, and sent the listing to the QRP list.  Whether Purley or anyone else responded to it, I can't say, but if he wanted one, there it was. As of the writing, it appears to be still available.

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Re: K1 Discontinued

Don Wilhelm
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Mike and all,

Yes, both the K1 and the K2 have had an exceptionally long lifetime
compared to other ham transceivers.  I received my Field Test K2 late
1998, so my SN 0020 is 19 years old.
Even though the K1 (and KX1) have been discontinued, support will
continue for as long as the replacement parts and knowledge base exists.

The K2 continues to be available, and Elecraft has taken some 'heroic'
steps to provide quite usable substitutes for several parts that have
disappeared because they are no longer manufactured.
How long that can continue is anyone's guess, but I can say that
Elecraft is dedicated to continuing support for the K2 for as long as
possible.

As an extension of that philosophy, I expect that those who have the K3
will enjoy similar support for years to come.  Same for those who have
purchased the K3S, KX3 and KX2 as well as other Elecraft products.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/30/2017 2:15 PM, Mike Morrow wrote:
> I saw the K1 first at Dsyton 2000, just after it was announced.  I ordered one immediately, but delivery did not happen for almost six months.  It is one of my favorite electronic devices from the past 50 years.
>
> It covered 15 meters, and consumed only about 60 mA on receive, with backlight.
>
> Two years ago mine took a lightening strike through the DC input which killed a couple of regulators, some diodes, and a DA converter on the front panel board.  But tests show the MPU still functions and displays and responds to the keys.  Perhaps I'll get around to fixing it someday.
>
> Not many rigs (except the K2) have had a production and sales run of 17 years.  It will be missed, but I don't know how it was kept in production that long.  I suspect it had a unit cost to Elecraft not significantly less than the KX2.
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Re: K1 Discontinued

Todd
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Up at Salmoncon this year I had a chance to play with just about every radio
Elecraft has come out with, with the exception of the K2.  I left my KX2
sit in
the tent while I had a chance to take the K1 for a nice test drive one
night while
sitting around in the pavilion.  Great little radio.  Wish I would have
pulled the
trigger on it years ago!    I see them quite often at different events
for sale, usually
going for around $400 - $450....

I'm sure I'll see one again this year at Pacificon - and maybe it'll
find a place here... ;-)

Now that they're on the "endangered list", maybe that price is going
up   :-(

Let me know Skip when you want to do Peavine (before the snow flies) and
you can
test drive the KX2.

Later,
Todd KH2TJ



Fred Jensen wrote:
> R.I.P. K1.  I never had one, but on a SOTA activation with Rich, NU6T,
> several years ago, we traded rigs for a bit and I got to run his K1.  
> Really great little radio.  I was giving some consideration to selling
> my K2/10 and getting a KX2, but then I spent some time with the K2 on
> the air and 86'd that idea.  My K2 is likely to be part of my estate.
>
>
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Re: K1 Discontinued

Byron Servies
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Hi all,

About a year after I was licensed in 2008 I was extremely unhappy with
how I was approaching the hobby. I sat there, looking at a pile of
expensive kit I had no understanding of and realized I was not
achieving my goals that pushed me to be licensed in the first place.
Those included building things, learning morse code, and developing a
better understanding.

So, I sold all the appliances and bought a K1 kit! It was a wonderful
build, and I really loved adjusting the VFO by adjusting wire spacing
on L1. So much fun! Of course, to use it I had to learn morse code, so
I did. I'm still not great, but that's just lack of practice.

I am disappointed that there have not been any new solder kits from
Elecraft and probably never will be again, though I understand the
economics, the problems with parts availability, and soldering surface
mount components.  Even so, it makes me sad.

Every time I use my K1 it makes me giddy with joy. Truly a wonderful
radio. Thank you so much for making it.

73, Byron N6NUL
K1 #2799

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 8:58 AM, Wayne Burdick <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi Kevin,
>
> We should have made a formal announcement here. Yes, we discontinued it because certain parts are hard to come by now, making it no longer cost effective for us to manufacture.
>
> It was a great product for us, and I used mine for years, taking it on many trips. I thought of it as a “Sierra on Steroids” at the time (referring to an earlier design I did for the NorCal QRP Club). But we’ve moved on to more versatile field radios, including the KX2 and KX3.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
>> On Aug 30, 2017, at 8:36 AM, Kevin Anderson via Elecraft <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> I am a little surprised that no mention was made on this e-mail list about the K1 being just recently discontinued.  Or if it had, I missed it and don't find it in a search of the list.
>>
>> It is being discussed over the QRP-L list, started by someone disappointed that he just finally had tried to order a K1 this past week or weekend and got the news.
>>
>> I presume that some key part has become unavailable, or has parts deemed not worth restocking any longer due to significant decline in demand for the transceiver.
>>
>> Kevin Anderson
>
>
>
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Re: K1 Discontinued

Joseph M. Durnal
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This news is inspirational.  My half built K1, SN 2350 as been with another
ham since 2008.  I retrieved it today.

I had a problem on receive and had trouble figuring it out.  It turns out
that I missed D5, but checked it off.

https://imgur.com/a/v9aMm

I'm going to try and finish it sooner than later.

Any chance that KAT1 is still available?

73 de Joseph M. Durnal - NE3R


On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 11:58 AM, Wayne Burdick <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi Kevin,
>
> We should have made a formal announcement here. Yes, we discontinued it
> because certain parts are hard to come by now, making it no longer cost
> effective for us to manufacture.
>
> It was a great product for us, and I used mine for years, taking it on
> many trips. I thought of it as a “Sierra on Steroids” at the time
> (referring to an earlier design I did for the NorCal QRP Club). But we’ve
> moved on to more versatile field radios, including the KX2 and KX3.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
> > On Aug 30, 2017, at 8:36 AM, Kevin Anderson via Elecraft <
> [hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > I am a little surprised that no mention was made on this e-mail list
> about the K1 being just recently discontinued.  Or if it had, I missed it
> and don't find it in a search of the list.
> >
> > It is being discussed over the QRP-L list, started by someone
> disappointed that he just finally had tried to order a K1 this past week or
> weekend and got the news.
> >
> > I presume that some key part has become unavailable, or has parts deemed
> not worth restocking any longer due to significant decline in demand for
> the transceiver.
> >
> > Kevin Anderson
>
>
>
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Re: K1 Discontinued

Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
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We still sell a number of K2s each month. Its the only full-solder SSB/CW 160-10
kit available. And its still in the upper performance portion of the charts! :-)

Plus we also still sell the KPA100 100W top cover option kit for the K2.

We plan to keep the K2 rolling for as long as possible. (And it was our first
design, so there is some emotional attachment here..)

73,
Eric
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On 8/30/2017 4:41 PM, Byron Servies wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> About a year after I was licensed in 2008 I was extremely unhappy with
> how I was approaching the hobby. I sat there, looking at a pile of
> expensive kit I had no understanding of and realized I was not
> achieving my goals that pushed me to be licensed in the first place.
> Those included building things, learning morse code, and developing a
> better understanding.
>
> So, I sold all the appliances and bought a K1 kit! It was a wonderful
> build, and I really loved adjusting the VFO by adjusting wire spacing
> on L1. So much fun! Of course, to use it I had to learn morse code, so
> I did. I'm still not great, but that's just lack of practice.
>
> I am disappointed that there have not been any new solder kits from
> Elecraft and probably never will be again, though I understand the
> economics, the problems with parts availability, and soldering surface
> mount components.  Even so, it makes me sad.
>
> Every time I use my K1 it makes me giddy with joy. Truly a wonderful
> radio. Thank you so much for making it.
>
> 73, Byron N6NUL
> K1 #2799
>
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Re: K1 Discontinued

Byron Servies
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It is still on the price list:

http://www.elecraft.com/elecraft_prod_list.htm#k1

73, Byron N6NUL

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 6:04 PM, Joseph M. Durnal
<[hidden email]> wrote:

> This news is inspirational.  My half built K1, SN 2350 as been with another
> ham since 2008.  I retrieved it today.
>
> I had a problem on receive and had trouble figuring it out.  It turns out
> that I missed D5, but checked it off.
>
> https://imgur.com/a/v9aMm
>
> I'm going to try and finish it sooner than later.
>
> Any chance that KAT1 is still available?
>
> 73 de Joseph M. Durnal - NE3R
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 11:58 AM, Wayne Burdick <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Hi Kevin,
>>
>> We should have made a formal announcement here. Yes, we discontinued it
>> because certain parts are hard to come by now, making it no longer cost
>> effective for us to manufacture.
>>
>> It was a great product for us, and I used mine for years, taking it on
>> many trips. I thought of it as a “Sierra on Steroids” at the time
>> (referring to an earlier design I did for the NorCal QRP Club). But we’ve
>> moved on to more versatile field radios, including the KX2 and KX3.
>>
>> 73,
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>>
>>
>> > On Aug 30, 2017, at 8:36 AM, Kevin Anderson via Elecraft <
>> [hidden email]> wrote:
>> >
>> > I am a little surprised that no mention was made on this e-mail list
>> about the K1 being just recently discontinued.  Or if it had, I missed it
>> and don't find it in a search of the list.
>> >
>> > It is being discussed over the QRP-L list, started by someone
>> disappointed that he just finally had tried to order a K1 this past week or
>> weekend and got the news.
>> >
>> > I presume that some key part has become unavailable, or has parts deemed
>> not worth restocking any longer due to significant decline in demand for
>> the transceiver.
>> >
>> > Kevin Anderson
>>
>>
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Re: K1 Discontinued

N4OI - Ken
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Byron Servies wrote
> [...] and soldering surface mount components.  

I do not understand the general fear of working with SMT components.  The
import hot air soldering stations are relatively cheap and easy-to-use.  And
magnifiers are available -- even binocular microscopes start around $500 for
the heavy hitters.  (I had a good learning experience replacing some chips
in my iPhone 6 Plus to fix the "touch screen disease.")

I think that SMTs should propel solder kit building to a new level, not shut
it down!  Just sayin'

73  



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Re: K1 Discontinued

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On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 7:30 PM, N4OI - Ken <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Byron Servies wrote
>> [...] and soldering surface mount components.
>
> I do not understand the general fear of working with SMT components.

I actually use the toaster oven method described in QST a few years
ago.  Works great!

But how small would the K1 be if made with SMT's and a few toroids.  Ooohhh..

73, Byron N6NUL
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Re: K1 Discontinued

Christopher Hoover
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i prefer smt to through hole for hand soldering.   through hole is a total
pain.   i generally do not use any hot air; just a fine tip metcal iron, a
*lot* of flux and sometimes a toothpick.    0603  RCLs are a piece of cake.
 0402 RCLs take some care but are totally doable.    73 de AI6KG


On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 7:30 PM, N4OI - Ken <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Byron Servies wrote
> > [...] and soldering surface mount components.
>
> I do not understand the general fear of working with SMT components.  The
> import hot air soldering stations are relatively cheap and easy-to-use.
> And
> magnifiers are available -- even binocular microscopes start around $500
> for
> the heavy hitters.  (I had a good learning experience replacing some chips
> in my iPhone 6 Plus to fix the "touch screen disease.")
>
> I think that SMTs should propel solder kit building to a new level, not
> shut
> it down!  Just sayin'
>
> 73
>
>
>
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