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Terry
I am looking to purchase a preowned K3.  I currently own a KX3 that I have
interfaced to Win4K3Suite.

The K3 that I am considering buying has the two 9 pin Din plugs in the back,
one ACC and one DATA.

I am not financially able to purchase a P3 currently and want to use the
spectrum scope on the Win4K3Suite to do that for me.

What do I need to have to be able to interface the K3 to Win4K3Suite in
order to get the spectrum scope to work.

Thanks and 73's,

Terry, N7TB



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Re: K3 Win4k3Suite Question

Barry-2
Terry,
     All you should need is a connection to the computers com port.
Win4K3 know which radio and just works. The connection should be the
data connection, but you will need a compatible connection on the
computer or an adapter if you only have USB connections on the computer
side. Just make sure you can tell Win4K3 what com port you are using for
the radio just as you did for the KX3.

     BTW: I started out with the KX3 and moved up as you are doing. There
were no compatibility issues. Good luck and have fun. If you really run
into a problem, Tom usually pops up and helps; he monitors this
reflector.

73,
Barry
K3NDM

------ Original Message ------
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Sent: 10/30/2018 1:07:06 AM
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Win4k3Suite Question

>I am looking to purchase a preowned K3.  I currently own a KX3 that I
>have
>interfaced to Win4K3Suite.
>
>The K3 that I am considering buying has the two 9 pin Din plugs in the
>back,
>one ACC and one DATA.
>
>I am not financially able to purchase a P3 currently and want to use
>the
>spectrum scope on the Win4K3Suite to do that for me.
>
>What do I need to have to be able to interface the K3 to Win4K3Suite in
>order to get the spectrum scope to work.
>
>Thanks and 73's,
>
>Terry, N7TB
>
>
>
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Re: K3 Win4k3Suite Question

Dave Scarfe
Does not require an SDR, like an SDRPlay?

73,
de VE5UO

On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 7:33 AM Barry <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Terry,
>      All you should need is a connection to the computers com port.
> Win4K3 know which radio and just works. The connection should be the
> data connection, but you will need a compatible connection on the
> computer or an adapter if you only have USB connections on the computer
> side. Just make sure you can tell Win4K3 what com port you are using for
> the radio just as you did for the KX3.
>
>      BTW: I started out with the KX3 and moved up as you are doing. There
> were no compatibility issues. Good luck and have fun. If you really run
> into a problem, Tom usually pops up and helps; he monitors this
> reflector.
>
> 73,
> Barry
> K3NDM
>
> ------ Original Message ------
> From: "Terry" <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: 10/30/2018 1:07:06 AM
> Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Win4k3Suite Question
>
> >I am looking to purchase a preowned K3.  I currently own a KX3 that I
> >have
> >interfaced to Win4K3Suite.
> >
> >The K3 that I am considering buying has the two 9 pin Din plugs in the
> >back,
> >one ACC and one DATA.
> >
> >I am not financially able to purchase a P3 currently and want to use
> >the
> >spectrum scope on the Win4K3Suite to do that for me.
> >
> >What do I need to have to be able to interface the K3 to Win4K3Suite in
> >order to get the spectrum scope to work.
> >
> >Thanks and 73's,
> >
> >Terry, N7TB
> >
> >
> >
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Re: K3 Win4k3Suite Question

Barry-2
No! The KX3 has I&Q analog data coming out of the side of the radio
already. All that is needed is to feed an external sound card that data,
and then, tell Win4K3 what the spectrum source is, pretty straight
forward. I find the KX3 setup easier and less complex than the K3. With
the K3, you need either a SDRPlay or a LP Pan to baseband the IF and
develop the I&Q analog data needed. Wayne essentially designed that in
the KX3.

73,
Barry
K3NDM

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From: "Dave Scarfe" <[hidden email]>
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Cc: [hidden email]
Sent: 10/30/2018 9:51:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Win4k3Suite Question

>Does not require an SDR, like an SDRPlay?
>
>73,
>de VE5UO
>
>On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 7:33 AM Barry <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>>Terry,
>>      All you should need is a connection to the computers com port.
>>Win4K3 know which radio and just works. The connection should be the
>>data connection, but you will need a compatible connection on the
>>computer or an adapter if you only have USB connections on the
>>computer
>>side. Just make sure you can tell Win4K3 what com port you are using
>>for
>>the radio just as you did for the KX3.
>>
>>      BTW: I started out with the KX3 and moved up as you are doing.
>>There
>>were no compatibility issues. Good luck and have fun. If you really
>>run
>>into a problem, Tom usually pops up and helps; he monitors this
>>reflector.
>>
>>73,
>>Barry
>>K3NDM
>>
>>------ Original Message ------
>>From: "Terry" <[hidden email]>
>>To: [hidden email]
>>Sent: 10/30/2018 1:07:06 AM
>>Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Win4k3Suite Question
>>
>> >I am looking to purchase a preowned K3.  I currently own a KX3 that I
>> >have
>> >interfaced to Win4K3Suite.
>> >
>> >The K3 that I am considering buying has the two 9 pin Din plugs in
>>the
>> >back,
>> >one ACC and one DATA.
>> >
>> >I am not financially able to purchase a P3 currently and want to use
>> >the
>> >spectrum scope on the Win4K3Suite to do that for me.
>> >
>> >What do I need to have to be able to interface the K3 to Win4K3Suite
>>in
>> >order to get the spectrum scope to work.
>> >
>> >Thanks and 73's,
>> >
>> >Terry, N7TB
>> >
>> >
>> >
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Re: K3 Win4k3Suite Question

KC6CNN
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I use win4k3 as my rig control. I use the macros window to control other things. It also has the ability work with AC LOG which is my favorite logging software. It also works with other digital software.
I use the small rig control window. The only thing I wish it had was adjustable window sizes.
Great software. I am not an employee or paid by them. Just my opinion .
73 Gerald


From: Barry
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2018 8:34 AM
To: Terry; [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Win4k3Suite Question

Terry,
     All you should need is a connection to the computers com port.
Win4K3 know which radio and just works. The connection should be the
data connection, but you will need a compatible connection on the
computer or an adapter if you only have USB connections on the computer
side. Just make sure you can tell Win4K3 what com port you are using for
the radio just as you did for the KX3.

     BTW: I started out with the KX3 and moved up as you are doing. There
were no compatibility issues. Good luck and have fun. If you really run
into a problem, Tom usually pops up and helps; he monitors this
reflector.

73,
Barry
K3NDM

------ Original Message ------
From: "Terry" <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: 10/30/2018 1:07:06 AM
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Win4k3Suite Question

>I am looking to purchase a preowned K3.  I currently own a KX3 that I
>have
>interfaced to Win4K3Suite.
>
>The K3 that I am considering buying has the two 9 pin Din plugs in the
>back,
>one ACC and one DATA.
>
>I am not financially able to purchase a P3 currently and want to use
>the
>spectrum scope on the Win4K3Suite to do that for me.
>
>What do I need to have to be able to interface the K3 to Win4K3Suite in
>order to get the spectrum scope to work.
>
>Thanks and 73's,
>
>Terry, N7TB
>
>
>
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Re: K3 Win4k3Suite Question

Richard Ferch-2
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The two connectors you mentioned are actually a DE-9 RS232 port, for radio
control communications with the computer, and a DE-15 ACC port, which is
generally used for communicating with other station equipment such as a
power amplifier, band switches, bandpass filters, automatic antenna tuners,
FSK (RTTY) keying interfaces, and so on. The RS232 port is certainly needed
by Win4K3Suite, but to the best of my knowledge, the ACC port is not needed
to operate with Win4K3Suite.

In order to use the RS232 port, you will need either a serial cable to a
serial port in the computer, or a USB to serial adapter (such as the KUSB -
but not the KXUSB).

You said you wanted to be able to use a spectrum scope. For that you will
need some kind of software defined radio (SDR) external to the K3. I
believe Win4K3Suite can use any SDR for which there is an ExtIO dll file
available, such as one of the SDRplay RSP devices. Whichever SDR you use,
it must be capable of operating at HF.

You did not mention whether the K3 you are looking at has the KXV3 option
installed. This has five BNC connectors on it, for IF Out, XVTR In and Out,
and RX Ant In and Out. This option is highly useful, although not 100%
necessary, for use with an SDR for a spectrum display.

If your K3 does not have the KXV3 option installed, you will need some way
to connect the SDR to an antenna, and some means to isolate that SDR from
the antenna whenever you are transmitting, such as an external
transmit/receive switch controlled by the K3.

There is more information on this in the Win4K3Suite documentation.

73,
Rich VE3KI


N7TB wrote:

I am looking to purchase a preowned K3.  I currently own a KX3 that I have
interfaced to Win4K3Suite.

The K3 that I am considering buying has the two 9 pin Din plugs in the back,
one ACC and one DATA.

I am not financially able to purchase a P3 currently and want to use the
spectrum scope on the Win4K3Suite to do that for me.

What do I need to have to be able to interface the K3 to Win4K3Suite in
order to get the spectrum scope to work.
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Re: K3 Win4k3Suite Question

Joe Subich, W4TV-4
On 2018-10-30 11:21 AM, Richard Ferch wrote:
 >
> You said you wanted to be able to use a spectrum scope. For that you
> will need some kind of software defined radio (SDR) external to the
> K3. I believe Win4K3Suite can use any SDR for which there is an ExtIO
> dll file available, such as one of the SDRplay RSP devices. Whichever
> SDR you use, it must be capable of operating at HF.

As an alternative, you will need an IF to I/Q conversion device
(SoftRock, LP-Pan, etc.) and a sound card capable of 96KHz sample
rate (preferably 24 bit).

The SDR (e.g., the basic SDRPlay RSP) is probably less expensive than
the I/Q demodulator/high end sound card option these days but if one
already has a suitable sound card, the demodulator might work.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 2018-10-30 11:21 AM, Richard Ferch wrote:

> The two connectors you mentioned are actually a DE-9 RS232 port, for radio
> control communications with the computer, and a DE-15 ACC port, which is
> generally used for communicating with other station equipment such as a
> power amplifier, band switches, bandpass filters, automatic antenna tuners,
> FSK (RTTY) keying interfaces, and so on. The RS232 port is certainly needed
> by Win4K3Suite, but to the best of my knowledge, the ACC port is not needed
> to operate with Win4K3Suite.
>
> In order to use the RS232 port, you will need either a serial cable to a
> serial port in the computer, or a USB to serial adapter (such as the KUSB -
> but not the KXUSB).
>
> You said you wanted to be able to use a spectrum scope. For that you will
> need some kind of software defined radio (SDR) external to the K3. I
> believe Win4K3Suite can use any SDR for which there is an ExtIO dll file
> available, such as one of the SDRplay RSP devices. Whichever SDR you use,
> it must be capable of operating at HF.
>
> You did not mention whether the K3 you are looking at has the KXV3 option
> installed. This has five BNC connectors on it, for IF Out, XVTR In and Out,
> and RX Ant In and Out. This option is highly useful, although not 100%
> necessary, for use with an SDR for a spectrum display.
>
> If your K3 does not have the KXV3 option installed, you will need some way
> to connect the SDR to an antenna, and some means to isolate that SDR from
> the antenna whenever you are transmitting, such as an external
> transmit/receive switch controlled by the K3.
>
> There is more information on this in the Win4K3Suite documentation.
>
> 73,
> Rich VE3KI
>
>
> N7TB wrote:
>
> I am looking to purchase a preowned K3.  I currently own a KX3 that I have
> interfaced to Win4K3Suite.
>
> The K3 that I am considering buying has the two 9 pin Din plugs in the back,
> one ACC and one DATA.
>
> I am not financially able to purchase a P3 currently and want to use the
> spectrum scope on the Win4K3Suite to do that for me.
>
> What do I need to have to be able to interface the K3 to Win4K3Suite in
> order to get the spectrum scope to work.


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Re: K3 Win4k3Suite Question

tomb18
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Hi,
Your options are as follows:
First you need the IF output from your K3.  Win4K3 does not support an RX
antenna solution on the K3.  However, you can use another spectrum display
product like HDSDR or SDRUno synced with OmniRig to Win4K3.  You would have
to be sure that your SDR device is switched out and grounded during
transmit.

Assuming you have the IF out, only the LPPAN and the SDRPlay devices are
supported in Win4K3.  There is no support for EXT_IO drivers.
Since you already have a sound card for use with your KX3 I would suggest
the LPPAN unit.

Please feel free to join the group  https://groups.io/g/win4k3suite.
The group is just starting up.

73 Tom
va2fsq.com

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From: Joe Subich, W4TV
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2018 2:52 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Win4k3Suite Question

On 2018-10-30 11:21 AM, Richard Ferch wrote:
>
> You said you wanted to be able to use a spectrum scope. For that you
> will need some kind of software defined radio (SDR) external to the
> K3. I believe Win4K3Suite can use any SDR for which there is an ExtIO
> dll file available, such as one of the SDRplay RSP devices. Whichever
> SDR you use, it must be capable of operating at HF.

As an alternative, you will need an IF to I/Q conversion device
(SoftRock, LP-Pan, etc.) and a sound card capable of 96KHz sample
rate (preferably 24 bit).

The SDR (e.g., the basic SDRPlay RSP) is probably less expensive than
the I/Q demodulator/high end sound card option these days but if one
already has a suitable sound card, the demodulator might work.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 2018-10-30 11:21 AM, Richard Ferch wrote:

> The two connectors you mentioned are actually a DE-9 RS232 port, for radio
> control communications with the computer, and a DE-15 ACC port, which is
> generally used for communicating with other station equipment such as a
> power amplifier, band switches, bandpass filters, automatic antenna
> tuners,
> FSK (RTTY) keying interfaces, and so on. The RS232 port is certainly
> needed
> by Win4K3Suite, but to the best of my knowledge, the ACC port is not
> needed
> to operate with Win4K3Suite.
>
> In order to use the RS232 port, you will need either a serial cable to a
> serial port in the computer, or a USB to serial adapter (such as the
> KUSB -
> but not the KXUSB).
>
> You said you wanted to be able to use a spectrum scope. For that you will
> need some kind of software defined radio (SDR) external to the K3. I
> believe Win4K3Suite can use any SDR for which there is an ExtIO dll file
> available, such as one of the SDRplay RSP devices. Whichever SDR you use,
> it must be capable of operating at HF.
>
> You did not mention whether the K3 you are looking at has the KXV3 option
> installed. This has five BNC connectors on it, for IF Out, XVTR In and
> Out,
> and RX Ant In and Out. This option is highly useful, although not 100%
> necessary, for use with an SDR for a spectrum display.
>
> If your K3 does not have the KXV3 option installed, you will need some way
> to connect the SDR to an antenna, and some means to isolate that SDR from
> the antenna whenever you are transmitting, such as an external
> transmit/receive switch controlled by the K3.
>
> There is more information on this in the Win4K3Suite documentation.
>
> 73,
> Rich VE3KI
>
>
> N7TB wrote:
>
> I am looking to purchase a preowned K3.  I currently own a KX3 that I have
> interfaced to Win4K3Suite.
>
> The K3 that I am considering buying has the two 9 pin Din plugs in the
> back,
> one ACC and one DATA.
>
> I am not financially able to purchase a P3 currently and want to use the
> spectrum scope on the Win4K3Suite to do that for me.
>
> What do I need to have to be able to interface the K3 to Win4K3Suite in
> order to get the spectrum scope to work.


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Re: K3 Win4k3Suite Question

Richard Ferch-2
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Tom, a question for you. He already has a KX3 with IQ outputs. Could he
tune the KX3 to the K3's IF at 8215 kHz, connect it to the K3's IF Out
jack, and use it as the SDR for his spectrum display with the K3?

Thanks for correcting me on the ExtIO business.

73,
Rich VE3KI


Tom wrote:

Your options are as follows:
First you need the IF output from your K3.  Win4K3 does not support an RX
antenna solution on the K3.  However, you can use another spectrum display
product like HDSDR or SDRUno synced with OmniRig to Win4K3.  You would have
to be sure that your SDR device is switched out and grounded during
transmit.

Assuming you have the IF out, only the LPPAN and the SDRPlay devices are
supported in Win4K3.  There is no support for EXT_IO drivers.
Since you already have a sound card for use with your KX3 I would suggest
the LPPAN unit.
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Re: K3 Win4k3Suite Question

tomb18
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Ha...never thought of that one.
I guess it could.  Zero $.

Of course, one would have to try it.  
73 Tom

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From: Richard Ferch
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2018 4:09 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Win4k3Suite Question

Tom, a question for you. He already has a KX3 with IQ outputs. Could he
tune the KX3 to the K3's IF at 8215 kHz, connect it to the K3's IF Out
jack, and use it as the SDR for his spectrum display with the K3?

Thanks for correcting me on the ExtIO business.

73,
Rich VE3KI


Tom wrote:

Your options are as follows:
First you need the IF output from your K3.  Win4K3 does not support an RX
antenna solution on the K3.  However, you can use another spectrum display
product like HDSDR or SDRUno synced with OmniRig to Win4K3.  You would have
to be sure that your SDR device is switched out and grounded during
transmit.

Assuming you have the IF out, only the LPPAN and the SDRPlay devices are
supported in Win4K3.  There is no support for EXT_IO drivers.
Since you already have a sound card for use with your KX3 I would suggest
the LPPAN unit.
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