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K3IOB

Ken Widelitz
I just received an invoice for two of my K3s that were in the Elecraft shop
for upgrades and repairs. I had asked that they hold the radios for the
KIO3B upgrade. It was done today. They are $389.95 each.

 

73, Ken, K6LA / VY2TT

 

 

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Re: K3IOB

Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
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We were able to accelerate expected date to open orders to begin the middle of
next week, so I authorized a couple of upgrades for repairs that were holding
for them here.

Stay tuned! We'll likely have it up on the order form the middle of this next
week or earlier. Mass shipping will start 5-10 days after that.

73,

Eric
/elecraft.com/

On 12/18/2015 4:26 PM, Ken Widelitz wrote:
> I just received an invoice for two of my K3s that were in the Elecraft shop
> for upgrades and repairs. I had asked that they hold the radios for the
> KIO3B upgrade. It was done today. They are $389.95 each.
>
> 73, Ken, K6LA / VY2TT

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K3S data modes

Juliean Galak
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Wanted to check my understanding of one other thing:  

Doing data modes, especially RTTY, PSK31, and JT65, doesn't require any special connections between pc and radio, right?  No mic to headphone wires or USB sound cards?  It's all handled by the codec over the USB connection?

What about computer-generated and decoded CW?  Can that also be handled by the codec?

Thanks,
Juliean
KD2JPF
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Re: K3S data modes

Juliean Galak
I should add that I'm running Windows though I can easily run Linux instead.

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> On Dec 18, 2015, at 8:05 PM, Juliean Galak <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> Wanted to check my understanding of one other thing:  
>
> Doing data modes, especially RTTY, PSK31, and JT65, doesn't require any special connections between pc and radio, right?  No mic to headphone wires or USB sound cards?  It's all handled by the codec over the USB connection?
>
> What about computer-generated and decoded CW?  Can that also be handled by the codec?
>
> Thanks,
> Juliean
> KD2JPF
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Re: K3IOB

Dr. William J. Schmidt, II
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Son of a bitch.


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> On Dec 18, 2015, at 7:26 PM, Ken Widelitz <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> I just received an invoice for two of my K3s that were in the Elecraft shop
> for upgrades and repairs. I had asked that they hold the radios for the
> KIO3B upgrade. It was done today. They are $389.95 each.
>
>
>
> 73, Ken, K6LA / VY2TT
>
>
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Re: K3IOB

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> Son of a bitch.
>
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> Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ
>
> Owner - Operator
> Big Signal Ranch – K9ZC
> Staunton, Illinois
>
> Owner – Operator
> Villa Grand Piton - J68HZ
> Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I.
> Rent it: www.VillaGrandPiton.com
>
> email:  [hidden email]
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> > On Dec 18, 2015, at 7:26 PM, Ken Widelitz <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > I just received an invoice for two of my K3s that were in the Elecraft
> shop
> > for upgrades and repairs. I had asked that they hold the radios for the
> > KIO3B upgrade. It was done today. They are $389.95 each.
> >
> >
> >
> > 73, Ken, K6LA / VY2TT
> >
> >
> >
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Re: K3IOB

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On 12/19/2015 4:27 AM, Peter Pauly wrote:
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Re: K3IOB

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I agree w/ Peter on this. I also find the price for upgrade outrageous. But, Mr. Schmidt's comment was out of line.

73,
Robert-KP4Y/W4

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Re: K3IOB

ejkkjh
I have been anxiously waiting for the K3IOB but also find the price much
more than expected, so now suspect I will not order one.
Emory  WM3M

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Vargas-KP4Y via Elecraft
Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2015 1:01 PM
To: Wes (N7WS)
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3IOB

I agree w/ Peter on this. I also find the price for upgrade outrageous. But,
Mr. Schmidt's comment was out of line.

73,
Robert-KP4Y/W4

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Re: K3IOB

William Lagerberg
same for me

William PE1BSB

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> On 19 dec. 2015, at 19:51, <[hidden email]> <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> I have been anxiously waiting for the K3IOB but also find the price much more than expected, so now suspect I will not order one.
> Emory  WM3M
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Robert Vargas-KP4Y via Elecraft
> Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2015 1:01 PM
> To: Wes (N7WS)
> Cc: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3IOB
>
> I agree w/ Peter on this. I also find the price for upgrade outrageous. But, Mr. Schmidt's comment was out of line.
>
> 73,
> Robert-KP4Y/W4
>
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KIO3B pricing (was: Re: K3IOB)

Oliver Dröse
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Would have expected something in the 200 US$ price range but 400 bucks
for an "USB sound card" (as this is the only functional difference to
the KIO3A) is too heavy for my liking, too ... will probably keep going
with my microHAM USB III then ...

73, Olli - DH8BQA

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Am 19.12.2015 um 19:51 schrieb [hidden email]:

> I have been anxiously waiting for the K3IOB but also find the price
> much more than expected, so now suspect I will not order one.
> Emory  WM3M
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Robert Vargas-KP4Y via Elecraft
> Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2015 1:01 PM
> To: Wes (N7WS)
> Cc: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3IOB
>
> I agree w/ Peter on this. I also find the price for upgrade
> outrageous. But, Mr. Schmidt's comment was out of line.
>
> 73,
> Robert-KP4Y/W4
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: KIO3B pricing

Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT
Maybe, but how do they sell the "sound card part" without selling the
KIO3A parts?

On 12/19/2015 11:07 AM, Oliver Dröse wrote:
> Would have expected something in the 200 US$ price range but 400 bucks
> for an "USB sound card" (as this is the only functional difference to
> the KIO3A) is too heavy for my liking, too ...

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Re: K3IOB

Gary Gregory-2
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Ditto

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same for me

William PE1BSB

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> On 19 dec. 2015, at 19:51, <[hidden email]> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> I have been anxiously waiting for the K3IOB but also find the price much more than expected, so now suspect I will not order one.
> Emory  WM3M
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Robert Vargas-KP4Y via Elecraft
> Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2015 1:01 PM
> To: Wes (N7WS)
> Cc: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3IOB
>
> I agree w/ Peter on this. I also find the price for upgrade outrageous. But, Mr. Schmidt's comment was out of line.
>
> 73,
> Robert-KP4Y/W4
>
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Re: KIO3B pricing (was: Re: K3IOB)

Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
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Hi Olli,

Yes, 389.95 is the correct price.

This is not a single board. It is a three board set that costs much more than our old KIO3B to manufacture.  The board set also now contains a new USB Codec, USB Comm port, Internal USB hub and additional logic to handle routing of data between the USB and RS-232 paths (all fitting into the same space as the old boards). The upgrade kit also includes two external cables (one custom), new hw etc.  These boards are also manufactured at a much lower volume than those in the PC market, with the subsequent increased cost on our end. A $200 price would be selling at a significant loss.

Our goal is always to price our products as reasonably as possible after taking into account our production and support costs while making enough profit to continue to exist and serve the amateur radio market. We walk that line carefully every day. And its always a challenge! :-)

73,

Eric
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> On Dec 19, 2015, at 11:07 AM, Oliver Dröse <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> Would have expected something in the 200 US$ price range but 400 bucks for an "USB sound card" (as this is the only functional difference to the KIO3A) is too heavy for my liking, too ... will probably keep going with my microHAM USB III then ...
>
> 73, Olli - DH8BQA
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Re: KIO3B pricing (was: Re: K3IOB)

Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
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Also note that the KIO3B has all of the original KIO3 analog and digital functionality and HW. Adding the usb sound and USB data hw to that did not increase the end price by over $200.

Lastly at ham radio market volumes, which are much lower than most consumer products, the cost to develop and support any design is folded in the price we must charge over time. We can't survive any other way.

73,
Eric
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> On Dec 19, 2015, at 11:07 AM, Oliver Dröse <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> Would have expected something in the 200 US$ price range but 400 bucks for an "USB sound card" (as this is the only functional difference to the KIO3A) is too heavy for my liking, too ... will probably keep going with my microHAM USB III then ...
>
> 73, Olli - DH8BQA
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Re: KIO3B pricing

Oliver Dröse
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That's true, Lynn. Nevertheless it's a question of perspective. I
already own all the other features of/with the KIO3 so I can only make
up my mind on the additional features and decide if it's worth it or not
as that is what makes the difference for me. If they would offer a trade
programm, i.e. send back KIO3(A) and get KIO3B for $200 I might think
about it but not this way. But then what would they do with all the old
KIO3's? They didn't offer that option for the KSYN3A, same story there.
But we will see, maybe the price tag mentioned was including labour for
exchanging the board ... hope dies last. ;-)

People always praise Elecraft for having an update path to keep their
radios up-to-date while others come out with a Mk2 version where they
would need to spend their money twice buying the Mk2 to get the latest
features, a.s.o. Now Elecraft came out with the K3S as their "Mk2" ...
hear hear! And if I would really keep my original K3 up to date with all
the new boards, mods & features I could buy a second radio, too! Don't
see much difference to other manufacturers (anymore) ... But that's a
different discussion ... just sayin'. ;-)

73, Olli

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Am 19.12.2015 um 20:20 schrieb Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT:
> Maybe, but how do they sell the "sound card part" without selling the
> KIO3A parts?
>
> On 12/19/2015 11:07 AM, Oliver Dröse wrote:
>> Would have expected something in the 200 US$ price range but 400
>> bucks for an "USB sound card" (as this is the only functional
>> difference to the KIO3A) is too heavy for my liking, too ...
>

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Re: KIO3B pricing (was: Re: K3IOB)

Charlie T, K3ICH
In reply to this post by Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
You make a very good case for buying a new K3s.  
I chose that route, and after all the finagling and swapping, it cost me under $500 to go from a 2007 K3 to a brandie new 2015 K3s.  
Heckuva deal if you axe me.

I must add that the recovered audio is absolutely THE best I've heard from any transceiver.
Even with a pair of mediocre speakers, it sounds great.

Chas

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KIO3B pricing (was: Re: K3IOB)

Hi Olli,

Yes, 389.95 is the correct price.

This is not a single board. It is a three board set that costs much more than our old KIO3B to manufacture.  The board set also now contains a new USB Codec, USB Comm port, Internal USB hub and additional logic to handle routing of data between the USB and RS-232 paths (all fitting into the same space as the old boards). The upgrade kit also includes two external cables (one custom), new hw etc.  These boards are also manufactured at a much lower volume than those in the PC market, with the subsequent increased cost on our end. A $200 price would be selling at a significant loss.

Our goal is always to price our products as reasonably as possible after taking into account our production and support costs while making enough profit to continue to exist and serve the amateur radio market. We walk that line carefully every day. And its always a challenge! :-)

73,

Eric
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Re: KIO3B pricing

Oliver Dröse
Eric,

interestingly I didn't get your mail yet, neither the direct one nor
that via the reflector although Chas already responded to it. Who knows
... so will pick his one to answer. Thanks for the explaination. The
insight is much appreciated although not what I wanted to hear. ;-) Will
make up my mind again during Christmas ... maybe Santa will be generous.
;-) Otherwise as said before I can live with the "old" one plus external
USB card ... as I do with the old synth boards ...

73, Olli

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Am 19.12.2015 um 22:58 schrieb Charlie T, K3ICH:

> You make a very good case for buying a new K3s.
> I chose that route, and after all the finagling and swapping, it cost me under $500 to go from a 2007 K3 to a brandie new 2015 K3s.
> Heckuva deal if you axe me.
>
> I must add that the recovered audio is absolutely THE best I've heard from any transceiver.
> Even with a pair of mediocre speakers, it sounds great.
>
> Chas
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
> Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2015 3:50 PM
> To: Oliver Dröse <[hidden email]>
> Cc: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KIO3B pricing (was: Re: K3IOB)
>
> Hi Olli,
>
> Yes, 389.95 is the correct price.
>
> This is not a single board. It is a three board set that costs much more than our old KIO3B to manufacture.  The board set also now contains a new USB Codec, USB Comm port, Internal USB hub and additional logic to handle routing of data between the USB and RS-232 paths (all fitting into the same space as the old boards). The upgrade kit also includes two external cables (one custom), new hw etc.  These boards are also manufactured at a much lower volume than those in the PC market, with the subsequent increased cost on our end. A $200 price would be selling at a significant loss.
>
> Our goal is always to price our products as reasonably as possible after taking into account our production and support costs while making enough profit to continue to exist and serve the amateur radio market. We walk that line carefully every day. And its always a challenge! :-)
>
> 73,
>
> Eric
> elecraft.com
>
>
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KIO3B Audio Spec

Mike Harris-9
Any info on the audio bit depth and sample rate?

Regards,

Mike VP8NO
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Re: KIO3B Audio Spec

Lyle Johnson
The USB CODEC chip is 16 bit.  The sample rate is set by the attached
PC, but is usually 44.1 kHz or 48 kHz.

73,

Lyle KK7P

> Any info on the audio bit depth and sample rate?

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