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Mike Smith VE9AA
If I was to purchase a new (barebones) K3S today, what are the chances the
2nd receiver module, filters, 2m module and whatever else are going to be
available a year from now (when I can afford more) ?

 

Thanks !

 

Mike VE9AA

 

Mike, Coreen & Corey

Keswick Ridge, NB

 

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Re: K3S accessories availability, moving forward

Don Wilhelm
Mike,

The filters definitely, they are the same ones used in the K4.
The 2nd RX and 2m option may or may not be available.  They are building
no more, so whenever stock is depleted, they will be gone.

You might want to consider putting them on a credit card and pay it off
monthly.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 12/5/2019 5:09 PM, Mike Smith VE9AA wrote:
> If I was to purchase a new (barebones) K3S today, what are the chances the
> 2nd receiver module, filters, 2m module and whatever else are going to be
> available a year from now (when I can afford more) ?
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Re: K3S accessories availability, moving forward

Mike Smith VE9AA
Thanks Don.  
I am sitting on the fence what course of action to take.
I'd really like to find a K3 (non S) in Canada, but there are not too many around.
Barring that, a K3 in the USA from someone I know (ie: trust).  Also difficult, but not impossible.

I don't really need an "S" nor a K4, as 90% of what I do is just contest for fun.  I have a pair of IC-7410's in
my SO2R setup and an older but loaded K3 which I only use as a travel/expedition type rig, but tossing around the idea
of making the main setup a "pair of K3's" (plural, not "S",. hi)

Thanks for the info/advice.  Always appreciate your no nonsense words and great work.

73 de Mike VE9AA

Mike, Coreen & Corey
Keswick Ridge, NB

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S accessories availability, moving forward

Mike,

The filters definitely, they are the same ones used in the K4.
The 2nd RX and 2m option may or may not be available.  They are building
no more, so whenever stock is depleted, they will be gone.

You might want to consider putting them on a credit card and pay it off
monthly.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 12/5/2019 5:09 PM, Mike Smith VE9AA wrote:
> If I was to purchase a new (barebones) K3S today, what are the chances the
> 2nd receiver module, filters, 2m module and whatever else are going to be
> available a year from now (when I can afford more) ?

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Re: K3S accessories availability, moving forward

Jim Brown-10
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On 12/5/2019 2:22 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> You might want to consider putting them on a credit card and pay it off
> monthly.
>

BAD idea -- interest on credit cards are VERY high!

Better idea -- grab a used one from one of the many folks who will be
selling one (or two) to buy a K4 (or two). I would feel reasonably
confident buying from a regular member of this reflector -- it's a
pretty small world.

73, Jim K9YC
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Re: K3S accessories availability, moving forward

Randy Lake
Use PayPal credit. Gives you a few months.

On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 8:39 PM Jim Brown <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On 12/5/2019 2:22 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> > You might want to consider putting them on a credit card and pay it off
> > monthly.
> >
>
> BAD idea -- interest on credit cards are VERY high!
>
> Better idea -- grab a used one from one of the many folks who will be
> selling one (or two) to buy a K4 (or two). I would feel reasonably
> confident buying from a regular member of this reflector -- it's a
> pretty small world.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
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Re: K3S accessories availability, moving forward

Byron Servies
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I expected this, and in preparation received an RA number to have my
own K3 and P3 packed out this month while parts are available. Still,
I find it sad.

The value proposition from Elecraft has been easy to justify: buy a
base model radio and then add options as necessary or possible. With
the arrival of the K4, the K3-line is seemingly being abandoned. It is
10-ish years old, but still great.

Of course, I understand. Elecraft is a small company and it is not
practical to keep all the parts available forever. But unlike the K1,
KX1, and some K2 options, where components became unavailable, the K3
transition feels different somehow.

Ah, well.  The times they are a changin'.

73, Byron N6NUL

On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 2:23 PM Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Mike,
>
> The filters definitely, they are the same ones used in the K4.
> The 2nd RX and 2m option may or may not be available.  They are building
> no more, so whenever stock is depleted, they will be gone.
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Re: K3S accessories availability, moving forward

Bob McGraw - K4TAX
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There are several credit card companies that initially have 0% interest
for usually 12 months on a new card.  And then some have 0% interest on
balance transfers up to 15 months.   I roll money around using these
methods and NEVER pay any credit card interest.   One just has to be
alert to the DEALS and play by their rules.

73

Bob, K4TAX


On 12/5/2019 7:55 PM, Randy Lake wrote:
> Use PayPal credit. Gives you a few months.
>
>

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Re: K3S accessories availability, moving forward

David Gilbert
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Same here.  One of the huge selling points for Elecraft has always been
the after-sale service and longevity of the product.  I was happy to
upgrade my K3 to the new synths, but now I find out that if, for
example, my 2nd receiver goes full belly up some time in the near future
I probably won't be able to get a replacement. ... and by Elecraft
choice rather than by component obsolescence.    That kind of changes
the story for me.  The K3 line itself is far from being obsolete
performance-wise.

73,
Dave   AB7E



On 12/5/2019 6:58 PM, Byron Servies wrote:

> I expected this, and in preparation received an RA number to have my
> own K3 and P3 packed out this month while parts are available. Still,
> I find it sad.
>
> The value proposition from Elecraft has been easy to justify: buy a
> base model radio and then add options as necessary or possible. With
> the arrival of the K4, the K3-line is seemingly being abandoned. It is
> 10-ish years old, but still great.
>
> Of course, I understand. Elecraft is a small company and it is not
> practical to keep all the parts available forever. But unlike the K1,
> KX1, and some K2 options, where components became unavailable, the K3
> transition feels different somehow.
>
> Ah, well.  The times they are a changin'.
>
> 73, Byron N6NUL
>
> On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 2:23 PM Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Mike,
>>
>> The filters definitely, they are the same ones used in the K4.
>> The 2nd RX and 2m option may or may not be available.  They are building
>> no more, so whenever stock is depleted, they will be gone.
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Re: K3S accessories availability, moving forward

Don Wilhelm
Dave,

While you may not be able to obtain new option modules, you can be
assured that Elecraft support and repair service for the K3/K3S will
continue for a long time to come.

The K2 has been around for over 20 years and is still sold supported
(and repaired by Elecraft).  While the KX1 and K1 have been
discontinued, they will be serviced by Elecraft until the parts supply
has been exhausted.

I expect the same for the K3.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 12/5/2019 11:21 PM, David Gilbert wrote:

>
> Same here.  One of the huge selling points for Elecraft has always been
> the after-sale service and longevity of the product.  I was happy to
> upgrade my K3 to the new synths, but now I find out that if, for
> example, my 2nd receiver goes full belly up some time in the near future
> I probably won't be able to get a replacement. ... and by Elecraft
> choice rather than by component obsolescence.    That kind of changes
> the story for me.  The K3 line itself is far from being obsolete
> performance-wise.
>
> 73,
> Dave   AB7E
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Re: K3S accessories availability, moving forward

Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP
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Mike,

There is one K3S option that you should definitely add to a K3 if you
like CW: the updated synthesizer (2 of them if you have the
subreceiver). It makes a great deal of difference if you send CW at more
than about 30 wpm. There is a QRQ mode that helps, but it has downsides.
Of course the improved receiver IMD and phase noise performance is also
helpful if you are a contester.

73,
Victor, 4X6GP
Rehovot, Israel
Formerly K2VCO
CWops no. 5
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/

On 06/12/2019 1:08, Mike Smith VE9AA wrote:

> Thanks Don. I am sitting on the fence what course of action to take.
> I'd really like to find a K3 (non S) in Canada, but there are not too
> many around. Barring that, a K3 in the USA from someone I know (ie:
> trust).  Also difficult, but not impossible.
>
> I don't really need an "S" nor a K4, as 90% of what I do is just
> contest for fun.  I have a pair of IC-7410's in my SO2R setup and an
> older but loaded K3 which I only use as a travel/expedition type rig,
> but tossing around the idea of making the main setup a "pair of K3's"
> (plural, not "S",. hi)
>
> Thanks for the info/advice.  Always appreciate your no nonsense words
> and great work.
>
> 73 de Mike VE9AA
>
> Mike, Coreen & Corey Keswick Ridge, NB
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Don Wilhelm
> [mailto:[hidden email]] Sent: December 5, 2019 6:23 PM To:
> Mike Smith VE9AA; [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft]
> K3S accessories availability, moving forward
>
> Mike,
>
> The filters definitely, they are the same ones used in the K4. The
> 2nd RX and 2m option may or may not be available.  They are building
> no more, so whenever stock is depleted, they will be gone.
>
> You might want to consider putting them on a credit card and pay it
> off monthly.
>
> 73, Don W3FPR
>
> On 12/5/2019 5:09 PM, Mike Smith VE9AA wrote:
>> If I was to purchase a new (barebones) K3S today, what are the
>> chances the 2nd receiver module, filters, 2m module and whatever
>> else are going to be available a year from now (when I can afford
>> more) ?
>
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Re: K3S accessories availability, moving forward

john@kk9a.com
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The K3S and accessories becoming obsolete seems to be uncharastic of  
Elecraft. I own three K3s's, one is pretty stock however I am not  
ready to add options to it now. I thought that all of my K3s's would  
be upgradable as technology improved or when I wanted to add more  
features, just as was done with the original K3.  The K2 was never  
obsoleted so I certainly did not expect that to happen with the  
current K3S transceiver. I think it's a poor financial plan to borrow  
money for accessories that you may want in the future.

John KK9A


Don Wilhelm donwilh at embarqmail.com
Thu Dec 5 17:22:30 EST 2019

Mike,

The filters definitely, they are the same ones used in the K4.
The 2nd RX and 2m option may or may not be available.  They are building
no more, so whenever stock is depleted, they will be gone.

You might want to consider putting them on a credit card and pay it off
monthly.

73,
Don W3FPR

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Re: K3S accessories availability, moving forward

Edward R Cole
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Don explained it well; Elecraft support appears to continue for the
K3, K3S.  Obtaining new options apparently has a shorter life-span.

If I were shelling out new dollars at this point I would get the K4
vs K3S so seems a logical shift in emphasis.  I am happy with my
circa-2010 K3, KX3, KXPA100.  At my point in life, long-term
investments seem illogical.  Though if money were no issue I'd pick
up a K4 and KPA500...and maybe a sports car with obligatory blonde
accessory - haha

But as someone else pointed out, I did upgrade my k3 with two synth
boards and the gen purpose bw filter (to use 630m).

BTW the old synth boards are on the "dusty shelf" (in plastic bags)
and available free to anyone paying for shipping.

73, Ed - KL7UW
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Bob McGraw - K4TAX
Ed explained it quite well.   I would add that when a product is
discontinued usually the options, being also considered as product, will
go away as well.   This does not imply that repair parts are
discontinued.   It is often confusing to users when a product is not
longer available that service parts of the same items are available. 
Usually one has a product model number and the other has a service part
number.

After a product is obsoleted, where I previously worked, we planned
service parts supports for some 7 or so years.  There is no legal
requirement for a company to do this with consumer type products.  
Often we missed the projection and ran out early.  In some cases it was
the customers that ordered an excessive number of service parts {so they
could have spares} and this drew down the projected service parts
inventory.    And then too, the accountants came around asking what is
all of this on the shelves for the last 5 years with no usage?   Get rid
of the inventory as it is costing the company money.     The customer
looses either way.

73

Bob, K4TAX


On 12/6/2019 1:00 PM, Edward R Cole wrote:
> Don explained it well; Elecraft support appears to continue for the
> K3, K3S.  Obtaining new options apparently has a shorter life-span.
>
>

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ke9uw
BMW Motorcycles keeps many parts for more than 50 years. I once ordered a set of springs for a 1960 BMW and BMW parts in Germany sent one and ordered the second one from an outside vendor...which means they had it made.
There's more value to supplying parts for obsolete products than what the accounts see.

Jack BMW Motorcycles
Chuck KE9UW
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> On Dec 6, 2019, at 2:31 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Ed explained it quite well.   I would add that when a product is discontinued usually the options, being also considered as product, will go away as well.   This does not imply that repair parts are discontinued.   It is often confusing to users when a product is not longer available that service parts of the same items are available.  Usually one has a product model number and the other has a service part number.
>
> After a product is obsoleted, where I previously worked, we planned service parts supports for some 7 or so years.  There is no legal requirement for a company to do this with consumer type products.   Often we missed the projection and ran out early.  In some cases it was the customers that ordered an excessive number of service parts {so they could have spares} and this drew down the projected service parts inventory.    And then too, the accountants came around asking what is all of this on the shelves for the last 5 years with no usage?   Get rid of the inventory as it is costing the company money.     The customer looses either way.
>
> 73
>
> Bob, K4TAX
>
>
>> On 12/6/2019 1:00 PM, Edward R Cole wrote:
>> Don explained it well; Elecraft support appears to continue for the K3, K3S.  Obtaining new options apparently has a shorter life-span.
>>
>>
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Ted Edwards W3TB
I don't know how long accessories will be available.
I had not gotten around to the sub-receiver, but I ordered one over the
weekend and it came today.  Glad....

On Fri, Dec 6, 2019 at 7:06 PM hawley, charles j jr <[hidden email]>
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> BMW Motorcycles keeps many parts for more than 50 years. I once ordered a
> set of springs for a 1960 BMW and BMW parts in Germany sent one and ordered
> the second one from an outside vendor...which means they had it made.
> There's more value to supplying parts for obsolete products than what the
> accounts see.
>
> Jack BMW Motorcycles
> Chuck KE9UW
> [hidden email]
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Dec 6, 2019, at 2:31 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
> >
> > Ed explained it quite well.   I would add that when a product is
> discontinued usually the options, being also considered as product, will go
> away as well.   This does not imply that repair parts are discontinued.
>  It is often confusing to users when a product is not longer available that
> service parts of the same items are available.  Usually one has a product
> model number and the other has a service part number.
> >
> > After a product is obsoleted, where I previously worked, we planned
> service parts supports for some 7 or so years.  There is no legal
> requirement for a company to do this with consumer type products.   Often
> we missed the projection and ran out early.  In some cases it was the
> customers that ordered an excessive number of service parts {so they could
> have spares} and this drew down the projected service parts inventory.
> And then too, the accountants came around asking what is all of this on the
> shelves for the last 5 years with no usage?   Get rid of the inventory as
> it is costing the company money.     The customer looses either way.
> >
> > 73
> >
> > Bob, K4TAX
> >
> >
> >> On 12/6/2019 1:00 PM, Edward R Cole wrote:
> >> Don explained it well; Elecraft support appears to continue for the K3,
> K3S.  Obtaining new options apparently has a shorter life-span.
> >>
> >>
> >
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Don Wilhelm
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Parts are different from options (assemblies).
Parts from Elecraft will continue to be available as long as the parts
are not obsolete, but the options will not after the stock is exhausted.
  The options are assemblies of parts.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 12/6/2019 8:04 PM, hawley, charles j jr wrote:

> BMW Motorcycles keeps many parts for more than 50 years. I once ordered a set of springs for a 1960 BMW and BMW parts in Germany sent one and ordered the second one from an outside vendor...which means they had it made.
> There's more value to supplying parts for obsolete products than what the accounts see.
>
> Jack BMW Motorcycles
> Chuck KE9UW
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>> On Dec 6, 2019, at 2:31 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>> Ed explained it quite well.   I would add that when a product is discontinued usually the options, being also considered as product, will go away as well.   This does not imply that repair parts are discontinued.   It is often confusing to users when a product is not longer available that service parts of the same items are available.  Usually one has a product model number and the other has a service part number.
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>> After a product is obsoleted, where I previously worked, we planned service parts supports for some 7 or so years.  There is no legal requirement for a company to do this with consumer type products.   Often we missed the projection and ran out early.  In some cases it was the customers that ordered an excessive number of service parts {so they could have spares} and this drew down the projected service parts inventory.    And then too, the accountants came around asking what is all of this on the shelves for the last 5 years with no usage?   Get rid of the inventory as it is costing the company money.     The customer looses either way.
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>>> On 12/6/2019 1:00 PM, Edward R Cole wrote:
>>> Don explained it well; Elecraft support appears to continue for the K3, K3S.  Obtaining new options apparently has a shorter life-span.
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