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At Pacificon 2017 eighteen months ago, I pressed one of the Elecraft sales people very hard about a K4 introduction. He admitted that they are working on the K4, but would not say anything about timing or content/performance.

Remember that Elecraft worked on the KPA1500 for 10+ years before it was introduced. It could easily be 5 years before we see a K4.

In the meantime, the K3s line is still by far the best amateur radio system in the world from the perspective of combined performance, flexibility, and value. Why would you want a K4? For the eye candy and convenience of a big, full color, touch screen display? So that you can feel good about having an RF-sampled SDR that provides little to no improvement in real world, useable, performance?
So you can brag about "Pure Signal" distortion compensated transmission? Because you want access to the receiver I and Q channels?

I am tired of discussing a potential K4. If you need the best new station at the best value, buy a K3s line. I made that decision 12 months ago.
I find it hard to lust after any other equipment now.


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Re: K4?

John_N1JM
It would hard to improve on the K3s's performance in a similar size package.
I would not want touch screen and a spectrum scope would probably increase
the size. A good thing to have would be predistotion to improve tx IMD.

John N1JM



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> At Pacificon 2017 eighteen months ago, I pressed one of the Elecraft sales
> people very hard about a K4 introduction. He admitted that they are
> working on the K4, but would not say anything about timing or
> content/performance.
>
> Remember that Elecraft worked on the KPA1500 for 10+ years before it was
> introduced. It could easily be 5 years before we see a K4.
>
> In the meantime, the K3s line is still by far the best amateur radio
> system in the world from the perspective of combined performance,
> flexibility, and value. Why would you want a K4? For the eye candy and
> convenience of a big, full color, touch screen display? So that you can
> feel good about having an RF-sampled SDR that provides little to no
> improvement in real world, useable, performance?
> So you can brag about "Pure Signal" distortion compensated transmission?
> Because you want access to the receiver I and Q channels?
>
> I am tired of discussing a potential K4. If you need the best new station
> at the best value, buy a K3s line. I made that decision 12 months ago.
> I find it hard to lust after any other equipment now.
>
>
> W9DBR
>
>
>
>
>
>
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I keep seeing all the desires for a big color screen.  I have seen too many of these color screens that have burn in and failure.  I like my nice yellow screen that is always readable, and if damaged can be replaced for less than the cost of a new radio.  I like a radio that I can pick up and carry without straining my back.    I like the separate modules that can be upgraded.  The price was a little steep, but every time I turn it on I smile and know it was worth it

Mark.  WB7TLK


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The K3S receiver performance and RX audio are outstanding.

For a K4........I'd like to see transmit IMD in the -50 dB range.

73

Bob, K4TAX


On 3/24/2019 10:38 PM, John_N1JM wrote:
> It would hard to improve on the K3s's performance in a similar size package.
> I would not want touch screen and a spectrum scope would probably increase
> the size. A good thing to have would be predistotion to improve tx IMD.
>
> John N1JM
>
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On the idea of a K4...

I have not bought a K3S.  I have not upgraded my K3 with features included in the K3S.  And, I find myself using my KX3 and KX2 more than my K3.

The K3 is a keeper though, no reason to sell.  But, I also have no reason to buy any other rigs.

I am sure a K4, if ever produced would be a great radio but more likely my grandchildren would make more use of it then I would.  One grandson is studying for his Technician License so far (age 12).

73, phil, K7PEH


> On Mar 25, 2019, at 6:54 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> The K3S receiver performance and RX audio are outstanding.
>
> For a K4........I'd like to see transmit IMD in the -50 dB range.
>
> 73
>
> Bob, K4TAX
>
>
> On 3/24/2019 10:38 PM, John_N1JM wrote:
>> It would hard to improve on the K3s's performance in a similar size package.
>> I would not want touch screen and a spectrum scope would probably increase
>> the size. A good thing to have would be predistotion to improve tx IMD.
>>
>> John N1JM
>>
>>
>
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Bob McGraw - K4TAX
With all of the wonderful ideas and features advanced for a K4, I find
one thing which has been seemingly omitted.    PRICE!    Yep, hams want
radios with all the features whistle band bells along with alleged
performance.............. in the $1000 price range. Look at the volume
of sales of radios in this price range.   A large majority of hams today
do not have $3500 to $6500 to invest in a radio.   Yes I know the
technology, engineering investment and cost to produce is a major
component of price.  But still, hams want inexpensive radios.   It may
not be feasible to produce a product in the $1000 price range, but ICOM,
Kenwood and Yaesu seem to think so.

ICOM IC-7300 = $979;  Yaesu FT 991A = $1100;  Kenwood TS-590SG = $1200; 
Yaesu FT-DX3000 = $ 1300;  Kenwood TS-480HX = $1000

Yes I know these are not in the performance league of the current K3S,
but these are what is on the air, in mass, today.


73

Bob, K4TAX

Very happy with my:

K3S, KPA500, KAT500 and P3


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Re: K4?

Don Wilhelm
Bob and all,

Based on that thinking, it may be that Elecraft could produce an SMD
version of the K2 in that price class - call it the "K2S".
Yes, it would not be a full kit like the current K2, but would solve a
lot of problems that are encountered with the disappearing of Thru-hole
components from the marketplace.

The current K2 design even though 20 years old still has a competitive
receiver (see the Sherwood RX listing), and many hams appreciate the
fully analog design - which could be ported to SMD with board layout
design but not the basic analog circuitry.  Using black paint would
differentiate it from the current gray K2.

A K2S with a built-in KSB2, KNB2, KAF2, K60XV and K160RX plus KIO2 and
KAT2, but with an added IF output for connection for the P3 (or other IF
based panadapter devices like LP-Pan) to the might be a seller in the
low price marketplace and could be offered as a QRP transceiver.  The
existing KPA100 and KAT100 could work with it, and could still be
offered as amplifier and ATU thru-hole solder your own kits.

Of course, the counter to that argument is that the KX3 already provides
that same capability for a price in the range that you mentioned and a
lot more function.  The only "gotcha" is that it is only 15 watts, but
the KXPA100 and KXAT100 adds 100 watt and ATU capability while retaining
the portability.

This is pure speculation on my part (prompted by Bob's post), I do not
know of any plans to do the things I have mentioned.  Elecraft seems to
remain committed to providing a full "solder your own" kit for those who
want to actually solder the parts in place, and my suggestion of a "K2S"
would run counter to that commitment, although the KPA100 amplifier and
KAT100 ATU could remain "build your own".

73,
Don W3FPR

On 3/25/2019 10:44 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:

> With all of the wonderful ideas and features advanced for a K4, I find
> one thing which has been seemingly omitted.    PRICE!    Yep, hams want
> radios with all the features whistle band bells along with alleged
> performance.............. in the $1000 price range. Look at the volume
> of sales of radios in this price range.   A large majority of hams today
> do not have $3500 to $6500 to invest in a radio.   Yes I know the
> technology, engineering investment and cost to produce is a major
> component of price.  But still, hams want inexpensive radios.   It may
> not be feasible to produce a product in the $1000 price range, but ICOM,
> Kenwood and Yaesu seem to think so.
>
> ICOM IC-7300 = $979;  Yaesu FT 991A = $1100;  Kenwood TS-590SG = $1200;
> Yaesu FT-DX3000 = $ 1300;  Kenwood TS-480HX = $1000
>
> Yes I know these are not in the performance league of the current K3S,
> but these are what is on the air, in mass, today.
>
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Modern screens last a long time and don't suffer nearly as much from
burn-in. They can also be replaced.

Doug -- KJ0F

On 3/24/2019 10:58 PM, mrkgnthr--- via Elecraft wrote:

> I keep seeing all the desires for a big color screen.  I have seen too many of these color screens that have burn in and failure.  I like my nice yellow screen that is always readable, and if damaged can be replaced for less than the cost of a new radio.  I like a radio that I can pick up and carry without straining my back.    I like the separate modules that can be upgraded.  The price was a little steep, but every time I turn it on I smile and know it was worth it
>
> Mark.  WB7TLK
>
>
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VE3NR
Touch screens are unavoidable! Most future electronic devices will have
have touch screens as I/O interface.

You can wish whatever you want, but if the device/radio is not
commercially viable, it will never happen,
i.e. it always comes down to dollars and cents!

BTW, the best device you have is between your ears! ;-)

Bert VE3NR



On 3/25/2019 11:51 AM, Doug Person wrote:

> Modern screens last a long time and don't suffer nearly as much from
> burn-in. They can also be replaced.
>
> Doug -- KJ0F
>
> On 3/24/2019 10:58 PM, mrkgnthr--- via Elecraft wrote:
>> I keep seeing all the desires for a big color screen.  I have seen
>> too many of these color screens that have burn in and failure.  I
>> like my nice yellow screen that is always readable, and if damaged
>> can be replaced for less than the cost of a new radio.  I like a
>> radio that I can pick up and carry without straining my back.    I
>> like the separate modules that can be upgraded.  The price was a
>> little steep, but every time I turn it on I smile and know it was
>> worth it
>>
>> Mark.  WB7TLK
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Mar 24, 2019, at 20:38, John_N1JM <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
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Re: K4?

Peter Spotts
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Yes, the economics can be brutal. But the investment gap was ever thus. I'm
a boomer who first learned of amateur radio when I was in junior high
school. I wouldn't get my license until many years later. But I pored
through Heathkit, Allied, and Lafayette catalogs and visited our local
Henry Radio store looking longingly at the radios. Then, as now, there was
a wide range of price and performance. IIRC, the gold standard, or so it
seemed, was the original Collins line, before Rockwell bought them out. My
meager in-person sampling of stations at the time yielded a similar
observation to yours: more Heathkits, Drakes, Atlases, and others than Collins.


In the end, I guess, we pay the price we must for a radio that meets our
operating interests and needs, and change radios if or as those interests
change.


As a mid-price-ish rig, "We'll always have the K2 [he hoped]; here's QSLin'
you, kid."


A satisfied K1, KX1 builder/user...


W/best regards,

Pete
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On March 25, 2019 08:45:07 Bob McGraw K4TAX <[hidden email]> wrote:

> With all of the wonderful ideas and features advanced for a K4, I find
> one thing which has been seemingly omitted. PRICE! Yep, hams want
> radios with all the features whistle band bells along with alleged
> performance.............. in the $1000 price range. Look at the volume
> of sales of radios in this price range. A large majority of hams today
> do not have $3500 to $6500 to invest in a radio. Yes I know the
> technology, engineering investment and cost to produce is a major
> component of price. But still, hams want inexpensive radios. It may
> not be feasible to produce a product in the $1000 price range, but ICOM,
> Kenwood and Yaesu seem to think so.
>
>
> ICOM IC-7300 = $979; Yaesu FT 991A = $1100; Kenwood TS-590SG = $1200;
> Yaesu FT-DX3000 = $ 1300; Kenwood TS-480HX = $1000
>
>
> Yes I know these are not in the performance league of the current K3S,
> but these are what is on the air, in mass, today.
>
>
>
>
> 73
>
>
> Bob, K4TAX
>
>
> Very happy with my:
>
>
> K3S, KPA500, KAT500 and P3
>
>
>
>
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On March 25, 2019 08:45:07 Bob McGraw K4TAX <[hidden email]> wrote:

> With all of the wonderful ideas and features advanced for a K4, I find
> one thing which has been seemingly omitted.    PRICE!    Yep, hams want
> radios with all the features whistle band bells along with alleged
> performance.............. in the $1000 price range. Look at the volume
> of sales of radios in this price range.   A large majority of hams today
> do not have $3500 to $6500 to invest in a radio.   Yes I know the
> technology, engineering investment and cost to produce is a major
> component of price.  But still, hams want inexpensive radios.   It may
> not be feasible to produce a product in the $1000 price range, but ICOM,
> Kenwood and Yaesu seem to think so.
>
> ICOM IC-7300 = $979;  Yaesu FT 991A = $1100;  Kenwood TS-590SG = $1200;
> Yaesu FT-DX3000 = $ 1300;  Kenwood TS-480HX = $1000
>
> Yes I know these are not in the performance league of the current K3S,
> but these are what is on the air, in mass, today.
>
>
> 73
>
> Bob, K4TAX
>
> Very happy with my:
>
> K3S, KPA500, KAT500 and P3
>
>
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I believe many future electronic devices will not have a touch screen.  They will have a voice interface.  In fact, a number of devices in my home right now are voice operated and it seems to work just fine and this capability is improving rapidly in the industry.

For example, my 2018 Toyota RAV4/Hybrid has a touch screen system.  I also have my iPhone coupled to the RAV4 so I make calls hands free merely by saying something like "Siri, call home".  I also play music I have on my iPhone.  Instead of using the touch-screen music browsing system, I merely say "Siri, play Beatles One" or whatever.  I have actually named my music playlists with names easy to use Siri for this interface.

And, instead of doing simple time-zone arithmetic, I have the habit of saying "Alexa, what is GMT time for now".  Alexa answers clearly with date and time.

phil, K7PEH

> On Mar 25, 2019, at 9:10 AM, Bert <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Touch screens are unavoidable! Most future electronic devices will have have touch screens as I/O interface.
>
> You can wish whatever you want, but if the device/radio is not commercially viable, it will never happen,
> i.e. it always comes down to dollars and cents!
>
> BTW, the best device you have is between your ears! ;-)
>
> Bert VE3NR
>
>
>
> On 3/25/2019 11:51 AM, Doug Person wrote:
>> Modern screens last a long time and don't suffer nearly as much from burn-in. They can also be replaced.
>>
>> Doug -- KJ0F
>>
>> On 3/24/2019 10:58 PM, mrkgnthr--- via Elecraft wrote:
>>> I keep seeing all the desires for a big color screen.  I have seen too many of these color screens that have burn in and failure.  I like my nice yellow screen that is always readable, and if damaged can be replaced for less than the cost of a new radio.  I like a radio that I can pick up and carry without straining my back.    I like the separate modules that can be upgraded.  The price was a little steep, but every time I turn it on I smile and know it was worth it
>>>
>>> Mark.  WB7TLK
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>>> On Mar 24, 2019, at 20:38, John_N1JM <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
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W2xj
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When I was in high school my first station was Collins S Line and a triband beam on a 50 foot tower. Also, a Viking 500.

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> On Mar 25, 2019, at 12:14 PM, Peter Spotts <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Yes, the economics can be brutal. But the investment gap was ever thus. I'm a boomer who first learned of amateur radio when I was in junior high school. I wouldn't get my license until many years later. But I pored through Heathkit, Allied, and Lafayette catalogs and visited our local Henry Radio store looking longingly at the radios. Then, as now, there was a wide range of price and performance. IIRC, the gold standard, or so it seemed, was the original Collins line, before Rockwell bought them out. My meager in-person sampling of stations at the time yielded a similar observation to yours: more Heathkits, Drakes, Atlases, and others than Collins.
>
>
> In the end, I guess, we pay the price we must for a radio that meets our operating interests and needs, and change radios if or as those interests change.
>
>
> As a mid-price-ish rig, "We'll always have the K2 [he hoped]; here's QSLin' you, kid."
>
>
> A satisfied K1, KX1 builder/user...
>
>
> W/best regards,
>
> Pete
> --
>
> --
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> ARRL Public Information Coordinator, New Mexico Section
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> QCWA #34679 | SKCC #4853S | QRP-ARCI #4174 | CalQRP #67
> NEQRP #714 | NAQCC #2446 | G-QRP #13202 | Polar Bear #348
>
>> On March 25, 2019 08:45:07 Bob McGraw K4TAX <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> With all of the wonderful ideas and features advanced for a K4, I find
>> one thing which has been seemingly omitted. PRICE! Yep, hams want
>> radios with all the features whistle band bells along with alleged
>> performance.............. in the $1000 price range. Look at the volume
>> of sales of radios in this price range. A large majority of hams today
>> do not have $3500 to $6500 to invest in a radio. Yes I know the
>> technology, engineering investment and cost to produce is a major
>> component of price. But still, hams want inexpensive radios. It may
>> not be feasible to produce a product in the $1000 price range, but ICOM,
>> Kenwood and Yaesu seem to think so.
>>
>>
>> ICOM IC-7300 = $979; Yaesu FT 991A = $1100; Kenwood TS-590SG = $1200;
>> Yaesu FT-DX3000 = $ 1300; Kenwood TS-480HX = $1000
>>
>>
>> Yes I know these are not in the performance league of the current K3S,
>> but these are what is on the air, in mass, today.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 73
>>
>>
>> Bob, K4TAX
>>
>>
>> Very happy with my:
>>
>>
>> K3S, KPA500, KAT500 and P3
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>> On March 25, 2019 08:45:07 Bob McGraw K4TAX <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> With all of the wonderful ideas and features advanced for a K4, I find
>> one thing which has been seemingly omitted.    PRICE!    Yep, hams want
>> radios with all the features whistle band bells along with alleged
>> performance.............. in the $1000 price range. Look at the volume
>> of sales of radios in this price range.   A large majority of hams today
>> do not have $3500 to $6500 to invest in a radio.   Yes I know the
>> technology, engineering investment and cost to produce is a major
>> component of price.  But still, hams want inexpensive radios.   It may
>> not be feasible to produce a product in the $1000 price range, but ICOM,
>> Kenwood and Yaesu seem to think so.
>>
>> ICOM IC-7300 = $979;  Yaesu FT 991A = $1100;  Kenwood TS-590SG = $1200;
>> Yaesu FT-DX3000 = $ 1300;  Kenwood TS-480HX = $1000
>>
>> Yes I know these are not in the performance league of the current K3S,
>> but these are what is on the air, in mass, today.
>>
>>
>> 73
>>
>> Bob, K4TAX
>>
>> Very happy with my:
>>
>> K3S, KPA500, KAT500 and P3
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Re: K4?

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> On Mar 25, 2019, at 9:10 AM, Bert <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> Touch screens are unavoidable!


The trick is to provide a full complement of "hard" controls for functions accessed most frequently, "in the heat of battle," as they say, while leveraging the touch screen for its versatility.

Touchable fields can be added as a backup/shortcut to hard controls. A touch screen inherently offers immediate context-sensitive feedback and in many cases reduced time/effort. Examples include signal selection, zooming, etc. Zooming should also be done right, by resampling at narrower resolution -- is shouldn't just be a "blow-up" of the original pixels, as implemented on some existing radios.

Ultimately, get what you pay for. That said, current prices for "high-end" super-radios are ridiculous; they're two to four times higher than necessary. Not only that, they're not configurable or upgradeable. Very un-Elecraft like.

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Hi Phil,

Voice interface is OK with household electronics but I doubt we'll see it
in our transceivers in the near future. The ham radio market is probably
too small to make this feature commercially viable. Again, dollars and
cents!
OMHO!

Bert VE3NR



On 3/25/2019 12:23 PM, Phil Hystad wrote:

> I believe many future electronic devices will not have a touch screen.  They will have a voice interface.  In fact, a number of devices in my home right now are voice operated and it seems to work just fine and this capability is improving rapidly in the industry.
>
> For example, my 2018 Toyota RAV4/Hybrid has a touch screen system.  I also have my iPhone coupled to the RAV4 so I make calls hands free merely by saying something like "Siri, call home".  I also play music I have on my iPhone.  Instead of using the touch-screen music browsing system, I merely say "Siri, play Beatles One" or whatever.  I have actually named my music playlists with names easy to use Siri for this interface.
>
> And, instead of doing simple time-zone arithmetic, I have the habit of saying "Alexa, what is GMT time for now".  Alexa answers clearly with date and time.
>
> phil, K7PEH
>
>> On Mar 25, 2019, at 9:10 AM, Bert <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Touch screens are unavoidable! Most future electronic devices will have have touch screens as I/O interface.
>>
>> You can wish whatever you want, but if the device/radio is not commercially viable, it will never happen,
>> i.e. it always comes down to dollars and cents!
>>
>> BTW, the best device you have is between your ears! ;-)
>>
>> Bert VE3NR
>>
>>
>>
>> On 3/25/2019 11:51 AM, Doug Person wrote:
>>> Modern screens last a long time and don't suffer nearly as much from burn-in. They can also be replaced.
>>>
>>> Doug -- KJ0F
>>>
>>> On 3/24/2019 10:58 PM, mrkgnthr--- via Elecraft wrote:
>>>> I keep seeing all the desires for a big color screen.  I have seen too many of these color screens that have burn in and failure.  I like my nice yellow screen that is always readable, and if damaged can be replaced for less than the cost of a new radio.  I like a radio that I can pick up and carry without straining my back.    I like the separate modules that can be upgraded.  The price was a little steep, but every time I turn it on I smile and know it was worth it
>>>>
>>>> Mark.  WB7TLK
>>>>
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Could only the front panel partially replaced with large colour screen?
One could play computer games (attract the grandchildren), others watch
IPTV when the bands are dead and finally the HAMs could control the
current radio. There may be more than one option. Personally I like the
mono display, easy to read, large characters. The 5"x4" central face
could be the screen, easy readability is important in high lighting. Is
it feasible economically? One thing is very important no gimmick just
functionality. Current radios are fantastic, no need more for me, I am
happy with K3.

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Re: K4?

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> On Mar 25, 2019, at 9:57 AM, Bert <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hi Phil,
>
> Voice interface is OK with household electronics but I doubt we'll see it
> in our transceivers in the near future. The ham radio market is probably
> too small to make this feature commercially viable. Again, dollars and cents!
> OMHO!
>
> Bert VE3NR


On the other hand, if your radio had a general-purpose Linux single-board computer designed  in, with Ethernet access, you could pretty easily include voice recognition either locally or internet-enabled at zero cost.

Wayne
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You would still need some kind of display to verify the voice instruction
or order to the radio, so one way or another you need something visual.

I guess an audio response to your verbal instruction is possible, but
nothing
you can see/verify after the fact.

A screen of some kind seems to be necessary for convenience - touch or
otherwise!

Bert VE3NR


On 3/25/2019 1:16 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:

>> On Mar 25, 2019, at 9:57 AM, Bert <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Phil,
>>
>> Voice interface is OK with household electronics but I doubt we'll see it
>> in our transceivers in the near future. The ham radio market is probably
>> too small to make this feature commercially viable. Again, dollars and cents!
>> OMHO!
>>
>> Bert VE3NR
>
> On the other hand, if your radio had a general-purpose Linux single-board computer designed  in, with Ethernet access, you could pretty easily include voice recognition either locally or internet-enabled at zero cost.
>
> Wayne
> N6KR
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Re: K4?

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Bert <[hidden email]> wrote:

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> You would still need some kind of display to verify the voice instruction
> or order to the radio, so one way or another you need something visual.
>
> I guess an audio response to your verbal instruction is possible, but nothing
> you can see/verify after the fact.
>
> A screen of some kind seems to be necessary for convenience - touch or otherwise!


Yes. 7" diagonal would provide the ideal tradeoff between screen size and the portion of the front panel dedicated to hard controls. The display should have much higher resolution than 800x480 (IC7610), IMHO.

Wayne
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