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Macy monkeys
I am in and out of the shack all day with various nets and ragchews. Is there any advantage to putting the amp into standby between QSOs...or should I just leave it in operate?

John K7FD
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Re: KPA500...standby vs. operate

Don Wilhelm
John,

I do not think there is any harm in leaving it in operate.  If you are
really "pinching pennies" on the electric bill, you might find a small
advantage to switching it to standby.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/27/2019 12:36 PM, Macy monkeys wrote:
> I am in and out of the shack all day with various nets and ragchews. Is there any advantage to putting the amp into standby between QSOs...or should I just leave it in operate?
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Re: KPA500...standby vs. operate

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I would check the block diagram and/or the schematic to be sure but I think the standby/operate switch only disables/enables the PTT/keying line. Ken WA2LBI LG G6 ------ Original message------From: Don WilhelmDate: Sun, Oct 27, 2019 13:00To: Macy monkeys;[hidden email];Cc: Subject:Re: [Elecraft] KPA500...standby vs. operateJohn,

I do not think there is any harm in leaving it in operate.  If you are
really "pinching pennies" on the electric bill, you might find a small
advantage to switching it to standby.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/27/2019 12:36 PM, Macy monkeys wrote:
> I am in and out of the shack all day with various nets and ragchews. Is there any advantage to putting the amp into standby between QSOs...or should I just leave it in operate?
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Re: KPA500...standby vs. operate

Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP
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If you have a pet larger than a goldfish, you should probably put it
into standby. Unless your pet is licensed to transmit.

73,
Victor, 4X6GP
Rehovot, Israel
Formerly K2VCO
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On 27/10/2019 18:36, Macy monkeys wrote:
> I am in and out of the shack all day with various nets and ragchews.
> Is there any advantage to putting the amp into standby between
> QSOs...or should I just leave it in operate?
>
> John K7FD
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Re: KPA500...standby vs. operate

Kenneth A Christiansen
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I have a Kill A Watt meter. Plugging the kpa 500 in with front switch off draws 7 watts. Standby draws 12 watts and operate draws 13 watts.  500 watts out on 20 meters draws 1,140 watts.
Hope that helps.
Ken. W0CZ
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> On Oct 27, 2019, at 11:38 AM, Macy monkeys <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> I am in and out of the shack all day with various nets and ragchews. Is there any advantage to putting the amp into standby between QSOs...or should I just leave it in operate?
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Re: KPA500...standby vs. operate

Macy monkeys
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Interesting! Thanks to all..
John K7FD

        -----------------------------------------From: "Kenneth Christiansen"

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA500...standby vs. operate

 I have a Kill A Watt meter. Plugging the kpa 500 in with front switch
off draws 7 watts. Standby draws 12 watts and operate draws 13 watts.
500 watts out on 20 meters draws 1,140 watts.
 Hope that helps.
 Ken. W0CZ
 w0cz@i29. Net

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 > On Oct 27, 2019, at 11:38 AM, Macy monkeys  wrote:
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 > I am in and out of the shack all day with various nets and
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Re: KPA500...standby vs. operate

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The specific answer to your question isn’t in the hardware, but rather the firmware. With that in mind,
going to STBY does the following:
1) Bypasses the TR switch, so that the signal path goes direct between the input and output RF ports.
2) Turns off the 60V power to lessen the load.
3) It also does some housekeeping things like turn on and off LEDs.

Going into standby adds a few things to the obvious:
1) Check that the 270V bias power is valid,
2) Enables the TR switch (removing the signal bypass)
3) Enables 60V power.
4) Again, some housekeeping chores are performed.

Now, what do I do when leaving the op position even for a few minutes? I always put the KPA in STBY mode. It just seems safer that way.
But, I don’t really see much issue with leaving it in OPER mode.

I also have a habit of disabling K3 VOX when I get up. Again, safer.

73!
Jack, W6FB



> On Oct 27, 2019, at 11:43 AM, [hidden email] wrote:
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> Interesting! Thanks to all..
> John K7FD
>
> -----------------------------------------From: "Kenneth Christiansen"
>
> To: "Macy monkeys"
> Cc: [hidden email]
> Sent: Sunday October 27 2019 11:15:43AM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA500...standby vs. operate
>
> I have a Kill A Watt meter. Plugging the kpa 500 in with front switch
> off draws 7 watts. Standby draws 12 watts and operate draws 13 watts.
> 500 watts out on 20 meters draws 1,140 watts.
> Hope that helps.
> Ken. W0CZ
> w0cz@i29. Net
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Oct 27, 2019, at 11:38 AM, Macy monkeys  wrote:
>>
>> I am in and out of the shack all day with various nets and
> ragchews. Is there any advantage to putting the amp into standby
> between QSOs...or should I just leave it in operate?
>>
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Re: KPA500...standby vs. operate

Wes Stewart-2
You are putting it into standby two places.  Don't you mean "operate" for the
second list of things?

I have a K-Pod button dedicated to turning VOX on and off.

Wes  N7WS

On 10/27/2019 11:54 AM, Jack Brindle via Elecraft wrote:

> The specific answer to your question isn’t in the hardware, but rather the firmware. With that in mind,
> going to STBY does the following:
> 1) Bypasses the TR switch, so that the signal path goes direct between the input and output RF ports.
> 2) Turns off the 60V power to lessen the load.
> 3) It also does some housekeeping things like turn on and off LEDs.
>
> Going into standby adds a few things to the obvious:
> 1) Check that the 270V bias power is valid,
> 2) Enables the TR switch (removing the signal bypass)
> 3) Enables 60V power.
> 4) Again, some housekeeping chores are performed.
>
> Now, what do I do when leaving the op position even for a few minutes? I always put the KPA in STBY mode. It just seems safer that way.
> But, I don’t really see much issue with leaving it in OPER mode.
>
> I also have a habit of disabling K3 VOX when I get up. Again, safer.
>
> 73!
> Jack, W6FB
>
>

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Re: KPA500...standby vs. operate

Mike Maloney
 My kpa shows HV 76 both in standby AND operate.  Drops to 61V, key down, 500W output.  AC line input drops from 124 to 122V at same time.  
Mike AC5P
    On Sunday, October 27, 2019, 03:19:39 PM CDT, Wes <[hidden email]> wrote:  
 
 You are putting it into standby two places.  Don't you mean "operate" for the
second list of things?

I have a K-Pod button dedicated to turning VOX on and off.

Wes  N7WS

On 10/27/2019 11:54 AM, Jack Brindle via Elecraft wrote:

> The specific answer to your question isn’t in the hardware, but rather the firmware. With that in mind,
> going to STBY does the following:
> 1) Bypasses the TR switch, so that the signal path goes direct between the input and output RF ports.
> 2) Turns off the 60V power to lessen the load.
> 3) It also does some housekeeping things like turn on and off LEDs.
>
> Going into standby adds a few things to the obvious:
> 1) Check that the 270V bias power is valid,
> 2) Enables the TR switch (removing the signal bypass)
> 3) Enables 60V power.
> 4) Again, some housekeeping chores are performed.
>
> Now, what do I do when leaving the op position even for a few minutes? I always put the KPA in STBY mode. It just seems safer that way.
> But, I don’t really see much issue with leaving it in OPER mode.
>
> I also have a habit of disabling K3 VOX when I get up. Again, safer.
>
> 73!
> Jack, W6FB
>
>

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Re: KPA500...standby vs. operate

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Yes. Wish I had caught that before I pressed the send button. Thanks!

73!
Jack, W6FB

> On Oct 27, 2019, at 1:18 PM, Wes <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> You are putting it into standby two places.  Don't you mean "operate" for the second list of things?
>
> I have a K-Pod button dedicated to turning VOX on and off.
>
> Wes  N7WS
>
> On 10/27/2019 11:54 AM, Jack Brindle via Elecraft wrote:
>> The specific answer to your question isn’t in the hardware, but rather the firmware. With that in mind,
>> going to STBY does the following:
>> 1) Bypasses the TR switch, so that the signal path goes direct between the input and output RF ports.
>> 2) Turns off the 60V power to lessen the load.
>> 3) It also does some housekeeping things like turn on and off LEDs.
>>
>> Going into standby adds a few things to the obvious:
>> 1) Check that the 270V bias power is valid,
>> 2) Enables the TR switch (removing the signal bypass)
>> 3) Enables 60V power.
>> 4) Again, some housekeeping chores are performed.
>>
>> Now, what do I do when leaving the op position even for a few minutes? I always put the KPA in STBY mode. It just seems safer that way.
>> But, I don’t really see much issue with leaving it in OPER mode.
>>
>> I also have a habit of disabling K3 VOX when I get up. Again, safer.
>>
>> 73!
>> Jack, W6FB
>>
>>
>
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Re: KPA500...standby vs. operate

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It all depends on where it is measured. It is switched after the measure point, so you will see a proper reading in both STBY and OPER.
It is not applied to the PA in STBY, though.

73!
Jack, W6fB


> On Oct 27, 2019, at 1:32 PM, Mike Maloney <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> My kpa shows HV 76 both in standby AND operate.  Drops to 61V, key down, 500W output.  AC line input drops from 124 to 122V at same time.  
> Mike AC5P
>    On Sunday, October 27, 2019, 03:19:39 PM CDT, Wes <[hidden email]> wrote:  
>
> You are putting it into standby two places.  Don't you mean "operate" for the
> second list of things?
>
> I have a K-Pod button dedicated to turning VOX on and off.
>
> Wes  N7WS
>
> On 10/27/2019 11:54 AM, Jack Brindle via Elecraft wrote:
>> The specific answer to your question isn’t in the hardware, but rather the firmware. With that in mind,
>> going to STBY does the following:
>> 1) Bypasses the TR switch, so that the signal path goes direct between the input and output RF ports.
>> 2) Turns off the 60V power to lessen the load.
>> 3) It also does some housekeeping things like turn on and off LEDs.
>>
>> Going into standby adds a few things to the obvious:
>> 1) Check that the 270V bias power is valid,
>> 2) Enables the TR switch (removing the signal bypass)
>> 3) Enables 60V power.
>> 4) Again, some housekeeping chores are performed.
>>
>> Now, what do I do when leaving the op position even for a few minutes? I always put the KPA in STBY mode. It just seems safer that way.
>> But, I don’t really see much issue with leaving it in OPER mode.
>>
>> I also have a habit of disabling K3 VOX when I get up. Again, safer.
>>
>> 73!
>> Jack, W6FB
>>
>>
>
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KPA500...standby vs. operate

ANDY DURBIN
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"It all depends on where it is measured. It is switched after the measure point, so you will see a proper reading in both STBY and OPER.
It is not applied to the PA in STBY, though."

Yes indeed.  In the PA module PA voltage and current are measured before K4 which is controlled by "60V ENABLE".  60 V to the PA module is controlled in the power supply by K1 which is labeled "60 volt enable" and driven by "60V ENBL" from the interlock switch.  At a casual glance one might think "60V ENABLE" and 60V ENBL"  were the same signal but it seems they are not.  "60V ENABLE" seems to trace to "EN60V", then "EN60VA", and then "EN60A" from the MCU.  

The connector numbering and signal names used in the KPA500 always make signal tracing an "interesting" challenge.  I had to look because I often leave my KPA500 in OPER for hours when I'm not using it.  Still can't see why that would a problem though.

73,
Andy, k3wyc
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Re: KPA500...standby vs. operate

Richard Lamont
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Just measured the power consumption of my KPA500:

Standby 10 W  /  16 VA
Operate 12 W  /  16 VA

73,
Richard G4DYA

On 27/10/2019 16:59, Don Wilhelm wrote:

> John,
>
> I do not think there is any harm in leaving it in operate.  If you are
> really "pinching pennies" on the electric bill, you might find a small
> advantage to switching it to standby.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 10/27/2019 12:36 PM, Macy monkeys wrote:
>> I am in and out of the shack all day with various nets and ragchews.
>> Is there any advantage to putting the amp into standby between
>> QSOs...or should I just leave it in operate?
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Re: KPA500...standby vs. operate

T.H. Bauer
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Victor makes a good point. Although I no longer have pets, if I leave the
station (K3 + KPA500/KAT500) powered ON,
I place the KPA500 in Stby and the K3 into Test mode. That (hopefully)
ensures no errant transmissions while I  am
away from the shack.
I have to admit that I have sometimes returned and forgotten to put the K3
back into Normal mode. Then I wonder
why there are no responses to my calls (!!). Iguess at 73 I'm entitled to a
few of those mistakes.
73
---
Ted   WA3AER
CWops #1879

Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2019 19:53:54 +0200
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If you have a pet larger than a goldfish, you should probably put it
into standby. Unless your pet is licensed to transmit.

73,
Victor, 4X6GP
Rehovot, Israel
Formerly K2VCO
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Re: KPA500...standby vs. operate

Michael Walker
I had a KPA500 at my remote station and I know that I have managed to leave
it on in Operate for weeks at a time by accident.

I don't think you need to worry about it.

Besides, it is a great watt meter even if you are in standby!

Mike va3mw


On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 8:14 PM T.H. Bauer <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Victor makes a good point. Although I no longer have pets, if I leave the
> station (K3 + KPA500/KAT500) powered ON,
> I place the KPA500 in Stby and the K3 into Test mode. That (hopefully)
> ensures no errant transmissions while I  am
> away from the shack.
> I have to admit that I have sometimes returned and forgotten to put the K3
> back into Normal mode. Then I wonder
> why there are no responses to my calls (!!). Iguess at 73 I'm entitled to a
> few of those mistakes.
> 73
> ---
> Ted   WA3AER
> CWops #1879
>
> Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2019 19:53:54 +0200
> From: Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA500...standby vs. operate
> Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
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>
> If you have a pet larger than a goldfish, you should probably put it
> into standby. Unless your pet is licensed to transmit.
>
> 73,
> Victor, 4X6GP
> Rehovot, Israel
> Formerly K2VCO
> CWops no. 5
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Re: KPA500...standby vs. operate

Bill Weaver
 
 
The danger that I find is leaving my K3 under windows rig control. I once found it sending out a string of dashesagter being left "on" (No the keyer paddle wasn't the cause:-)).   I too am in the habit of throwing it into test mode when I leave it alone.  
 

 
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Bill WE5P
 

 
 

 
 
 
 
 
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>  I had a KPA500 at my remote station and I know that I have managed to leave it on in Operate for weeks at a time by accident. I don't think you need to worry about it. Besides, it is a great watt meter even if you are in standby! Mike va3mw On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 8:14 PM T.H. Bauer wrote:  >  Victor makes a good point. Although I no longer have pets, if I leave the  >  station (K3 + KPA500/KAT500) powered ON,  >  I place the KPA500 in Stby and the K3 into Test mode. That (hopefully)  >  ensures no errant transmissions while I am  >  away from the shack.  >  I have to admit that I have sometimes returned and forgotten to put the K3  >  back into Normal mode. Then I wonder  >  why there are no responses to my calls (!!). Iguess at 73 I'm entitled to a  >  few of those mistakes.  >  73  >  ---  >  Ted WA3AER  >  CWops #1879  >   >  Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2019 19:53:54 +0200  >  From: Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP  >  To: [hidden email]  >  Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA500...sta!
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Re: KPA500...standby vs. operate

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 That gibberish should read dashes after (I hate typing on a tablet!).  

 
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> On Oct 27, 2019 at 22:26, Bill Weaver  <[hidden email]>  wrote:
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>  The danger that I find is leaving my K3 under windows rig control. I once found it sending out a string of dashesagter being left "on" (No the keyer paddle wasn't the cause:-)). I too am in the habit of throwing it into test mode when I leave it alone. 73, Bill WE5P  >   >  On Oct 27, 2019 at 22:19, Michael Walker wrote:  >   >   >  I had a KPA500 at my remote station and I know that I have managed to leave it on in Operate for weeks at a time by accident. I don't think you need to worry about it. Besides, it is a great watt meter even if you are in standby! Mike va3mw On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 8:14 PM T.H. Bauer wrote:  >  Victor makes a good point. Although I no longer have pets, if I leave the  >  station (K3 + KPA500/KAT500) powered ON,  >  I place the KPA500 in Stby and the K3 into Test mode. That (hopefully)  >  ensures no errant transmissions while I am  >  away from the shack.  >  I have to admit that I have sometimes returned and forgotten to put the K3  >  back in!
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 mode. Then I wonder  >  why there are no responses to my calls (!!). Iguess at 73 I'm entitled to a  >  few of those mistakes.  >  73  >  ---  >  Ted WA3AER  >  CWops #1879  >   >  Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2019 19:53:54 +0200  >  From: Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP  >  To: [hidden email]  >  Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA500...sta! ndby vs. operate  >  Message-ID:  <[hidden email]>   >  Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed  >   >  If you have a pet larger than a goldfish, you should probably put it  >  into standby. Unless your pet is licensed to transmit.  >   >  73,  >  Victor, 4X6GP  >  Rehovot, Israel  >  Formerly K2VCO  >  CWops no. 5  >  ______________________________________________________________  >  Elecraft mailing list  >  Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft  >  Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm  >  Post: mailto:[hidden email]  >   >  This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net  >  Please h!
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Re: KPA500...standby vs. operate

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I guess I'm old-fashioned, but I still don't quite trust this thing with
all the software. So I have an actual mechanical "switch" between the
computer and the radio. When I turn it off, there is absolutely no way
Windows can transmit. (It's also handy when the computer goes berserk in
the middle of a contest.) But the radio also has this software stuff in
it, so I put the amplifier in standby, the idea being that 100 W
probably won't do as much damage as 1500. Unless, of course, I deem it
worth the trouble to turn off the other switches.

73,
Scott K9MA

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