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KX4 Features ??

Doug Hensley
With the KX3 now aging from its 2012 debut, has anyone heard what might be on the
planning board for a KX4 ?   Inquiring minds . . . . .

If you are a KX3 user, what would you like to see?

Cheers,

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Re: KX4 Features ??

Nr4c
I think you’re going to have to wait a bit for this one. The KX2 kinda slipped in there with a lot of bang fit the buck. And in a real small package.

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> On Aug 20, 2019, at 12:55 PM, Doug Hensley <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> With the KX3 now aging from its 2012 debut, has anyone heard what might be on the
> planning board for a KX4 ?   Inquiring minds . . . . .
>
> If you are a KX3 user, what would you like to see?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Doug W5JV
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Re: KX4 Features ??

Tox
Yep. If you were looking for a sequel to the KX3, the answer appears
to have been:
smaller
lighter
capable of usage in an HT manner
lithium batteries
...and delivered as the KX2 :)

On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 10:18 AM Nr4c <[hidden email]> wrote:

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> I think you’re going to have to wait a bit for this one. The KX2 kinda slipped in there with a lot of bang fit the buck. And in a real small package.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> ...nr4c. bill
>
>
> > On Aug 20, 2019, at 12:55 PM, Doug Hensley <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > With the KX3 now aging from its 2012 debut, has anyone heard what might be on the
> > planning board for a KX4 ?   Inquiring minds . . . . .
> >
> > If you are a KX3 user, what would you like to see?
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Doug W5JV
> > K1, K2, K3s
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> > Wanted: Petersen Type PR-1 in FT-243 holder cut for 1770 kHZ (Used in IF Stage of a Mackay Receiver).
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Re: KX4 Features ??

Leroy
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My KX3 is such a kickass radio, Its slow for me to think of upgrades not
already done.
For some reason KX4 sounds wonderful. Maybe full vhf/uhf? Some of that K4
tech?

I think I already want one!

Leroy
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Subject: [Elecraft] KX4 Features ??

With the KX3 now aging from its 2012 debut, has anyone heard what might be
on the
planning board for a KX4 ?   Inquiring minds . . . . .

If you are a KX3 user, what would you like to see?

Cheers,

Doug W5JV
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Visit https://www.qrz.com/db/W5JV for some great vacuum tube finds.  Looking
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Re: KX4 Features ??

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I would like to see a built-in sound card for digital modes.  As far as I know there is no small, portable rig that has this feature.  I do expect that a KX4 is either on the drawing boards or at least has been discussed by the Elecraft brain trust (aka Eric & Wayne).  73 de Carl

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> On Aug 20, 2019, at 1:48 PM, Tox <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Yep. If you were looking for a sequel to the KX3, the answer appears
> to have been:
> smaller
> lighter
> capable of usage in an HT manner
> lithium batteries
> ...and delivered as the KX2 :)
>
>> On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 10:18 AM Nr4c <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> I think you’re going to have to wait a bit for this one. The KX2 kinda slipped in there with a lot of bang fit the buck. And in a real small package.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> ...nr4c. bill
>>
>>
>>> On Aug 20, 2019, at 12:55 PM, Doug Hensley <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> With the KX3 now aging from its 2012 debut, has anyone heard what might be on the
>>> planning board for a KX4 ?   Inquiring minds . . . . .
>>>
>>> If you are a KX3 user, what would you like to see?
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Doug W5JV
>>> K1, K2, K3s
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> Visit https://www.qrz.com/db/W5JV for some great vacuum tube finds.  Looking for something special?  Ask us.
>>> Wanted: Petersen Type PR-1 in FT-243 holder cut for 1770 kHZ (Used in IF Stage of a Mackay Receiver).
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David Gilbert

What does the built in sound card buy you?  You don't save on cabling
and USB sound card dongles for the computer are small, cheap, and work
fine for digital modes.

73,
Dave   AB7E



On 8/20/2019 11:15 AM, Carl Jón Denbow wrote:

> I would like to see a built-in sound card for digital modes.  As far as I know there is no small, portable rig that has this feature.  I do expect that a KX4 is either on the drawing boards or at least has been discussed by the Elecraft brain trust (aka Eric & Wayne).  73 de Carl
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>> On Aug 20, 2019, at 1:48 PM, Tox <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Yep. If you were looking for a sequel to the KX3, the answer appears
>> to have been:
>> smaller
>> lighter
>> capable of usage in an HT manner
>> lithium batteries
>> ...and delivered as the KX2 :)
>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 10:18 AM Nr4c <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> I think you’re going to have to wait a bit for this one. The KX2 kinda slipped in there with a lot of bang fit the buck. And in a real small package.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> ...nr4c. bill
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Aug 20, 2019, at 12:55 PM, Doug Hensley <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> With the KX3 now aging from its 2012 debut, has anyone heard what might be on the
>>>> planning board for a KX4 ?   Inquiring minds . . . . .
>>>>
>>>> If you are a KX3 user, what would you like to see?
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Doug W5JV
>>>> K1, K2, K3s
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Visit https://www.qrz.com/db/W5JV for some great vacuum tube finds.  Looking for something special?  Ask us.
>>>> Wanted: Petersen Type PR-1 in FT-243 holder cut for 1770 kHZ (Used in IF Stage of a Mackay Receiver).
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Re: KX4 Features ??

Eric Garner
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An upgrade to the kxbc3 to Li-ion or Li-poly would be great, but otherwise
my kx3 is pretty darn awesome.

-eric
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Leroy
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So true

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This was my only disappointment with the KX3. They couldn’t find a low-noise
USB chip, but the rat’s nest of cables still drives me nuts. I’ve probably
spent as much on cables and USB audio devices and hubs as I would have spent
on a more expensive KX3 with built-in USB.

wunder
K6WRU

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The built-in sound card idea has been suggested, but I'd think you'd also need an accurate clock for the FT modes... perhaps via a GPS receiver.
Yes, the KX2 is smaller, lighter, etc... but the KX3 is not particularly large or heavy.  So, maybe a KX4 would be about the same size as the KX3... or possibly a bit larger to accommodate some neat extra features.  Nevertheless, I still like my KX3.
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Subject: [Elecraft] KX4 Features ??

With the KX3 now aging from its 2012 debut, has anyone heard what might be on the
planning board for a KX4 ?  Inquiring minds . . . . .

If you are a KX3 user, what would you like to see?

Cheers,

Doug W5JV
K1, K2, K3s












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Re: KX4 Features ??

Bill Frantz
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The part of operating the KX3 I like the least is switching
between SSB and digital. I have to change the mic and headphones
out and connect the sound card. On my K3, I just change the mode
switch. Having an internal sound card would probably eliminate
this hassle.

I like the KX2 form factor. For this kind of radio, small is
good. It would be nice to support all the bands the KX3 supports
-- 160, 6, and 2 meters. 160M support could be through a small
external box, since pedestrian mobile on 160 doesn't seem
likely. For ARES/RACES use, 70 cm would be needed.

73 Bill AE6JV

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>What does the built in sound card buy you?  You don't save on
>cabling and USB sound card dongles for the computer are small,
>cheap, and work fine for digital modes.
>
>73,
>Dave   AB7E
>
>
>
>On 8/20/2019 11:15 AM, Carl Jón Denbow wrote:
>>I would like to see a built-in sound card for digital modes.  As far as I know there is
>no small, portable rig that has this feature.  I do expect that
>a KX4 is either on the drawing boards or at least has been
>discussed by the Elecraft brain trust (aka Eric & Wayne).  73
>de Carl
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Re: KX4 Features ??

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I currently often use my KX2 with a QRPworks SideKar Plus and type on a 2.4 GHz qwerty keyboard.  My wishlist would include the ability to either plug in a USB keyboard or use a Bluetooth qwerty keyboard for text input directly to the radio.  Also, i would love a more versatile radio display which would be at least have the additional capability of displaying a single long horizontal scrolling [high resolution] line of text across the full width of the bottom edge of the radio display (instead of sequestering the VFO B display to reveal a whole seven characters of scrolling text)

I can think of a slew of other features; but bundling the functionality of the SideKar into the radio would be a wonderful thing

Cheers  es 73  de KX2CW  ..
~joan

P.S: i enjoy not dragging along a laptop for radio camping (although this habit currently limits me to the current suite of text modes bundled into the Elecraft firmware, i.e. PSK, FSK [RiTTY], and CW).  I wonder what other modes might be feasible to bundle into the radio’s own firmware.

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> On Aug 20, 2019, at 09:55, Doug Hensley <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> With the KX3 now aging from its 2012 debut, has anyone heard what might be on the
> planning board for a KX4 ?   Inquiring minds . . . . .
>
> If you are a KX3 user, what would you like to see?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Doug W5JV
> K1, K2, K3s
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
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Speculation mode engaged.

For one thing, if a USB Hub functionality was also built in, you then
only need one physical USB connection between radio and computer, and
you could have full Rig Control, + USB Audio I/O, a well as the usual
KX3 utility functionality (firmware updates etc.)

Ideally, a galvanically isolated USB link to/from the outside world,
preventing ground loops.  Such devices are available, such as (but not
only) :- https://www.analog.com/en/products/ltm2884.html  (Not the
smallest of implementations, just referenced as an example of available
functionality, available now.)

No noisy micro SMPS needed either, as the rig already has it's own
internal power for the internal side, and the PC would power (via the
cable) the "external" side.

From what I recall of the KX3 schematic, the Audio codec chip has plenty
of unused spare audio I/O lines, so at the very least, analogue Audio
I/O could (in principle) be possible with minimal changes to the
physical design (but not firmware I suspect.)  Easy for me to say that,
I don't have to do it.  But that alone would make an excellent rig even
better.

73.

Dave G0WBX.


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> The part of operating the KX3 I like the least is switching
> between SSB and digital. I have to change the mic and headphones
> out and connect the sound card. On my K3, I just change the mode
> switch. Having an internal sound card would probably eliminate
> this hassle.
>
> I like the KX2 form factor. For this kind of radio, small is
> good. It would be nice to support all the bands the KX3 supports
> -- 160, 6, and 2 meters. 160M support could be through a small
> external box, since pedestrian mobile on 160 doesn't seem
> likely. For ARES/RACES use, 70 cm would be needed.
>
> 73 Bill AE6JV
>
> On 8/20/19 at 11:30 AM, [hidden email] (David Gilbert) wrote:
>
>> What does the built in sound card buy you?? You don't save on
>> cabling and USB sound card dongles for the computer are small,
>> cheap, and work fine for digital modes.
>>
>> 73,
>> Dave?? AB7E

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Re: KX4 Features ??

Todd KH2TJ
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There's this one here Carl:
https://www.aerial-51.com/alt-512/

Built in sound card.

73, Todd KH2TJ


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Re: KX4 Features ??

Thorsten Fricke
In reply to this post by Bill Frantz
As an owner of a KX2... IF there is something needed at all, then yes,
it would be the 70cm/2M option.
So far, the KX2 and any Anytone 878 do the job in combination.

Just my 2 cents
Thossi, DH4FT

Am 21.08.19 um 02:56 schrieb Bill Frantz:

> The part of operating the KX3 I like the least is switching between SSB
> and digital. I have to change the mic and headphones out and connect the
> sound card. On my K3, I just change the mode switch. Having an internal
> sound card would probably eliminate this hassle.
>
> I like the KX2 form factor. For this kind of radio, small is good. It
> would be nice to support all the bands the KX3 supports -- 160, 6, and 2
> meters. 160M support could be through a small external box, since
> pedestrian mobile on 160 doesn't seem likely. For ARES/RACES use, 70 cm
> would be needed.
>
> 73 Bill AE6JV
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Re: KX4 Features ??

Erlend Grimseid
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ir. 20. aug. 2019 kl. 20:49 skrev David Gilbert <[hidden email]>:

>
> What does the built in sound card buy you?  You don't save on cabling
> and USB sound card dongles for the computer are small, cheap, and work
> fine for digital modes.
>
> 73,
> Dave   AB7E

It would simplify doing digital modes.
Unplugging the mic to plug inn the cables from the sound card is an hassle.
Not to mention that one have to adjust levels every time.
An other option would be some sort of TNC connector. That would make it
possible to use pactor modems and other TNC's and not only soundcard modes.

73
LA4TTA
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tir. 20. aug. 2019 kl. 20:49 skrev David Gilbert <[hidden email]>:

>
> What does the built in sound card buy you?  You don't save on cabling
> and USB sound card dongles for the computer are small, cheap, and work
> fine for digital modes.
>
> 73,
> Dave   AB7E
>
>
>
> On 8/20/2019 11:15 AM, Carl Jón Denbow wrote:
> > I would like to see a built-in sound card for digital modes.  As far as
> I know there is no small, portable rig that has this feature.  I do expect
> that a KX4 is either on the drawing boards or at least has been discussed
> by the Elecraft brain trust (aka Eric & Wayne).  73 de Carl
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > ===========================
> > Carl Jón Denbow, N8VZ
> > 17 Coventry Lane
> > Athens, Ohio 45701-3718
> >
> > [hidden email]
> > www.n8vz.com
> > EM89wh
> >
> > IRLP 4533   Echolink 116070
> >
> > PSK and JT65 Forever!
> > ===========================
> >
> >> On Aug 20, 2019, at 1:48 PM, Tox <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >>
> >> Yep. If you were looking for a sequel to the KX3, the answer appears
> >> to have been:
> >> smaller
> >> lighter
> >> capable of usage in an HT manner
> >> lithium batteries
> >> ...and delivered as the KX2 :)
> >>
> >>> On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 10:18 AM Nr4c <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I think you’re going to have to wait a bit for this one. The KX2 kinda
> slipped in there with a lot of bang fit the buck. And in a real small
> package.
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>> ...nr4c. bill
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On Aug 20, 2019, at 12:55 PM, Doug Hensley <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> With the KX3 now aging from its 2012 debut, has anyone heard what
> might be on the
> >>>> planning board for a KX4 ?   Inquiring minds . . . . .
> >>>>
> >>>> If you are a KX3 user, what would you like to see?
> >>>>
> >>>> Cheers,
> >>>>
> >>>> Doug W5JV
> >>>> K1, K2, K3s
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
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Re: KX4 Features ??

Eric Garner
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One thing it buys you is compatibility with user expectations. The K3s has
a builtin USB sound card, so leaving it out of the K4 would not meet user
expectations of what flagship rig like the K4 should look like. Considering
there's a USB sound card built into most modern rigs now, it would look bad
when comparing them.

I can even hear the whining and moaning now "You are telling me that the
IC-7300, which costs less than a quarter of the price of the K4 has a
built-in sound card and the K4 does not?"

-Eric

On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 11:48 AM David Gilbert <[hidden email]>
wrote:

>
> What does the built in sound card buy you?  You don't save on cabling
> and USB sound card dongles for the computer are small, cheap, and work
> fine for digital modes.
>
> 73,
> Dave   AB7E
>
>
>
> On 8/20/2019 11:15 AM, Carl Jón Denbow wrote:
> > I would like to see a built-in sound card for digital modes.  As far as
> I know there is no small, portable rig that has this feature.  I do expect
> that a KX4 is either on the drawing boards or at least has been discussed
> by the Elecraft brain trust (aka Eric & Wayne).  73 de Carl
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > ===========================
> > Carl Jón Denbow, N8VZ
> > 17 Coventry Lane
> > Athens, Ohio 45701-3718
> >
> > [hidden email]
> > www.n8vz.com
> > EM89wh
> >
> > IRLP 4533   Echolink 116070
> >
> > PSK and JT65 Forever!
> > ===========================
> >
> >> On Aug 20, 2019, at 1:48 PM, Tox <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >>
> >> Yep. If you were looking for a sequel to the KX3, the answer appears
> >> to have been:
> >> smaller
> >> lighter
> >> capable of usage in an HT manner
> >> lithium batteries
> >> ...and delivered as the KX2 :)
> >>
> >>> On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 10:18 AM Nr4c <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I think you’re going to have to wait a bit for this one. The KX2 kinda
> slipped in there with a lot of bang fit the buck. And in a real small
> package.
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>> ...nr4c. bill
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On Aug 20, 2019, at 12:55 PM, Doug Hensley <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> With the KX3 now aging from its 2012 debut, has anyone heard what
> might be on the
> >>>> planning board for a KX4 ?   Inquiring minds . . . . .
> >>>>
> >>>> If you are a KX3 user, what would you like to see?
> >>>>
> >>>> Cheers,
> >>>>
> >>>> Doug W5JV
> >>>> K1, K2, K3s
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Visit https://www.qrz.com/db/W5JV for some great vacuum tube finds.
> Looking for something special?  Ask us.
> >>>> Wanted: Petersen Type PR-1 in FT-243 holder cut for 1770 kHZ (Used in
> IF Stage of a Mackay Receiver).
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
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Re: KX4 Features ??

wayne burdick
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Just in case there's any doubt, the K4 has a complete, multiplatform-compatible sound card interface via its USB-B connector, with two virtual control ports and stereo digital audio. That's in addition to three USB-A ports, true RS232 via DE9 for legacy station interfaces, full analog audio I/O, HDMI, and the usual ACC jack. It's a superset of the KIO3B.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


> On Sep 19, 2019, at 7:16 PM, Eric Garner <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> One thing it buys you is compatibility with user expectations. The K3s has
> a builtin USB sound card, so leaving it out of the K4 would not meet user
> expectations of what flagship rig like the K4 should look like. Considering
> there's a USB sound card built into most modern rigs now, it would look bad
> when comparing them.
>
> I can even hear the whining and moaning now "You are telling me that the
> IC-7300, which costs less than a quarter of the price of the K4 has a
> built-in sound card and the K4 does not?"
>
> -Eric
>
> On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 11:48 AM David Gilbert <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> What does the built in sound card buy you?  You don't save on cabling
>> and USB sound card dongles for the computer are small, cheap, and work
>> fine for digital modes.
>>
>> 73,
>> Dave   AB7E
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/20/2019 11:15 AM, Carl Jón Denbow wrote:
>>> I would like to see a built-in sound card for digital modes.  As far as
>> I know there is no small, portable rig that has this feature.  I do expect
>> that a KX4 is either on the drawing boards or at least has been discussed
>> by the Elecraft brain trust (aka Eric & Wayne).  73 de Carl
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> ===========================
>>> Carl Jón Denbow, N8VZ
>>> 17 Coventry Lane
>>> Athens, Ohio 45701-3718
>>>
>>> [hidden email]
>>> www.n8vz.com
>>> EM89wh
>>>
>>> IRLP 4533   Echolink 116070
>>>
>>> PSK and JT65 Forever!
>>> ===========================
>>>
>>>> On Aug 20, 2019, at 1:48 PM, Tox <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Yep. If you were looking for a sequel to the KX3, the answer appears
>>>> to have been:
>>>> smaller
>>>> lighter
>>>> capable of usage in an HT manner
>>>> lithium batteries
>>>> ...and delivered as the KX2 :)
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 10:18 AM Nr4c <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I think you’re going to have to wait a bit for this one. The KX2 kinda
>> slipped in there with a lot of bang fit the buck. And in a real small
>> package.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> ...nr4c. bill
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Aug 20, 2019, at 12:55 PM, Doug Hensley <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> With the KX3 now aging from its 2012 debut, has anyone heard what
>> might be on the
>>>>>> planning board for a KX4 ?   Inquiring minds . . . . .
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you are a KX3 user, what would you like to see?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Doug W5JV
>>>>>> K1, K2, K3s
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Visit https://www.qrz.com/db/W5JV for some great vacuum tube finds.
>> Looking for something special?  Ask us.
>>>>>> Wanted: Petersen Type PR-1 in FT-243 holder cut for 1770 kHZ (Used in
>> IF Stage of a Mackay Receiver).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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Re: K4 Features and current K3+

RALPH TURK
A feature that should be included in the "K4" is a software addition that will allow one to
send digital via the rear audio in connector while operating USB (upper sideband) with the
front mike.  I use the current K3+ on AirForce/Army Mars.  I need to be able to switch from
digital (M110A) to voice on a moments notice so can not use the digital modes.  The mike is
hot while transmitting digital.  Most mikes leave the mike element hot.  The PTT is a SPST
switch.  This means that you have to be careful not to have any noise in the shack while transmitting
digital.  If there is a way on the K3, service was not able to point it out.
Ralph, W7HSG/AFA9RT


> On September 19, 2019 at 8:51 PM Wayne Burdick <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>
> Just in case there's any doubt, the K4 has a complete, multiplatform-compatible sound card interface via its USB-B connector, with two virtual control ports and stereo digital audio. That's in addition to three USB-A ports, true RS232 via DE9 for legacy station interfaces, full analog audio I/O, HDMI, and the usual ACC jack. It's a superset of the KIO3B.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
> > On Sep 19, 2019, at 7:16 PM, Eric Garner <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > One thing it buys you is compatibility with user expectations. The K3s has
> > a builtin USB sound card, so leaving it out of the K4 would not meet user
> > expectations of what flagship rig like the K4 should look like. Considering
> > there's a USB sound card built into most modern rigs now, it would look bad
> > when comparing them.
> >
> > I can even hear the whining and moaning now "You are telling me that the
> > IC-7300, which costs less than a quarter of the price of the K4 has a
> > built-in sound card and the K4 does not?"
> >
> > -Eric
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 11:48 AM David Gilbert <[hidden email]>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> What does the built in sound card buy you?  You don't save on cabling
> >> and USB sound card dongles for the computer are small, cheap, and work
> >> fine for digital modes.
> >>
> >> 73,
> >> Dave   AB7E
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 8/20/2019 11:15 AM, Carl Jón Denbow wrote:
> >>> I would like to see a built-in sound card for digital modes.  As far as
> >> I know there is no small, portable rig that has this feature.  I do expect
> >> that a KX4 is either on the drawing boards or at least has been discussed
> >> by the Elecraft brain trust (aka Eric & Wayne).  73 de Carl
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>> ===========================
> >>> Carl Jón Denbow, N8VZ
> >>> 17 Coventry Lane
> >>> Athens, Ohio 45701-3718
> >>>
> >>> [hidden email]
> >>> www.n8vz.com
> >>> EM89wh
> >>>
> >>> IRLP 4533   Echolink 116070
> >>>
> >>> PSK and JT65 Forever!
> >>> ===========================
> >>>
> >>>> On Aug 20, 2019, at 1:48 PM, Tox <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Yep. If you were looking for a sequel to the KX3, the answer appears
> >>>> to have been:
> >>>> smaller
> >>>> lighter
> >>>> capable of usage in an HT manner
> >>>> lithium batteries
> >>>> ...and delivered as the KX2 :)
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 10:18 AM Nr4c <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I think you’re going to have to wait a bit for this one. The KX2 kinda
> >> slipped in there with a lot of bang fit the buck. And in a real small
> >> package.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>> ...nr4c. bill
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Aug 20, 2019, at 12:55 PM, Doug Hensley <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> With the KX3 now aging from its 2012 debut, has anyone heard what
> >> might be on the
> >>>>>> planning board for a KX4 ?   Inquiring minds . . . . .
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If you are a KX3 user, what would you like to see?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Doug W5JV
> >>>>>> K1, K2, K3s
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Visit https://www.qrz.com/db/W5JV for some great vacuum tube finds.
> >> Looking for something special?  Ask us.
> >>>>>> Wanted: Petersen Type PR-1 in FT-243 holder cut for 1770 kHZ (Used in
> >> IF Stage of a Mackay Receiver).
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
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K4 Features and current K3+

ANDY DURBIN
"I need to be able to switch from digital (M110A) to voice on a moments notice so can not use the digital modes.  The mike is hot while transmitting digital.  Most mikes leave the mike element hot.  The PTT is a SPST switch.  This means that you have to be careful not to have any noise in the shack while transmitting digital.  If there is a way on the K3, service was not able to point it out."

It would be very surprising to me if K3 and K4 had such a limitation.  This situation is handled perfectly in the Kenwood TS-590 by using 2 distinct keying commands.   Front panel PTT is equivalent to CAT TX0; and takes modulation from the front panel mic jack.  TX1;  and the equivalent ACC hardware PTT, take modulation from the USB Audio CODEC or ACC analog audio input leaving the mic muted.  

Switching between front mic and digital is simply accomplished by asserting the appropriate PTT line or CAT command.  The digital mode application asserts TX1;  Keying mode cannot be changed while transmitting so first keying command wins until TX stops.

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Andy, k3wyc
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Re: K4 Features and current K3+

Jim Rhodes-3
That is the way my old TS-570 is but my K3 has only 1 ptt line, but if I am
not mistaken in digital modes the mic is muted. I am not sure of that since
I hardly ever have a mic plugged in, but I think that is what I read in the
book.

Jim Rhodes
K0XU

On Fri, Sep 20, 2019, 09:05 Andy Durbin <[hidden email]> wrote:

> "I need to be able to switch from digital (M110A) to voice on a moments
> notice so can not use the digital modes.  The mike is hot while
> transmitting digital.  Most mikes leave the mike element hot.  The PTT is a
> SPST switch.  This means that you have to be careful not to have any noise
> in the shack while transmitting digital.  If there is a way on the K3,
> service was not able to point it out."
>
> It would be very surprising to me if K3 and K4 had such a limitation.
> This situation is handled perfectly in the Kenwood TS-590 by using 2
> distinct keying commands.   Front panel PTT is equivalent to CAT TX0; and
> takes modulation from the front panel mic jack.  TX1;  and the equivalent
> ACC hardware PTT, take modulation from the USB Audio CODEC or ACC analog
> audio input leaving the mic muted.
>
> Switching between front mic and digital is simply accomplished by
> asserting the appropriate PTT line or CAT command.  The digital mode
> application asserts TX1;  Keying mode cannot be changed while transmitting
> so first keying command wins until TX stops.
>
> 73,
> Andy, k3wyc
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