[OT]It's the 21st Century Guys! PS2 is DEAD

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HREFAB
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I am continually astounded to see expensive electronics (particularly in the CW arena) being offered with PS2 connections for keyboards. The standard has been dead for about 100 years now, supplanted by USB technology. To ask for over $300.00 for a decoder/logger/keyer is all fine and good ,but when they come with outdated obsolete electronic connections, its simply a case of Lazy or Cheap. I was told by a very well known manufacturer, that if they had to put a USB port for the keyboard in, it would add too much to the price (*while this item already had a USB port for uploading new firmware). Yes, a USB port costs roughly $1.00 so in a $300.0+ dollar gadget you're telling me that an extra buck is going to be a deal breaker? Come on! Sorry, if it has a PS2 keyboard connection, I'm not buying it and neither should anyone else.
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Re: It's the 21st Century Guys! PS2 is DEAD

Phil Wheeler-2
Good that you're so firm about it. It matters not
to me; I have excellent, small keyboards of both
persuasions.

One might as well argue that the P3 SVGA add-in
should support HDMI instead of the relatively
ancient SVGA.

Phil w7ox

On 5/17/14, 7:42 PM, HREFAB wrote:

> I am continually astounded to see expensive electronics (particularly in the
> CW arena) being offered with PS2 connections for keyboards. The standard has
> been dead for about 100 years now, supplanted by USB technology. To ask for
> over $300.00 for a decoder/logger/keyer is all fine and good ,but when they
> come with outdated obsolete electronic connections, its simply a case of
> Lazy or Cheap. I was told by a very well known manufacturer, that if they
> had to put a USB port for the keyboard in, it would add too much to the
> price (*while this item already had a USB port for uploading new firmware).
> Yes, a USB port costs roughly $1.00 so in a $300.0+ dollar gadget you're
> telling me that an extra buck is going to be a deal breaker? Come on! Sorry,
> if it has a PS2 keyboard connection, I'm not buying it and neither should
> anyone else.

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Re: It's the 21st Century Guys! PS2 is DEAD

W1KSZ
Hard Wired Keyboards and Mice are also passe.
Wireless is the only way to go, but that means you need more than just a
couple of USB ports on these radios.

73, Dick, W1KSZ


On 5/17/2014 8:19 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote:

> Good that you're so firm about it. It matters not to me; I have
> excellent, small keyboards of both persuasions.
>
> One might as well argue that the P3 SVGA add-in should support HDMI
> instead of the relatively ancient SVGA.
>
> Phil w7ox
>
> On 5/17/14, 7:42 PM, HREFAB wrote:
>> I am continually astounded to see expensive electronics (particularly
>> in the
>> CW arena) being offered with PS2 connections for keyboards. The
>> standard has
>> been dead for about 100 years now, supplanted by USB technology. To
>> ask for
>> over $300.00 for a decoder/logger/keyer is all fine and good ,but
>> when they
>> come with outdated obsolete electronic connections, its simply a case of
>> Lazy or Cheap. I was told by a very well known manufacturer, that if
>> they
>> had to put a USB port for the keyboard in, it would add too much to the
>> price (*while this item already had a USB port for uploading new
>> firmware).
>> Yes, a USB port costs roughly $1.00 so in a $300.0+ dollar gadget you're
>> telling me that an extra buck is going to be a deal breaker? Come on!
>> Sorry,
>> if it has a PS2 keyboard connection, I'm not buying it and neither
>> should
>> anyone else.
>
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Re: It's the 21st Century Guys! PS2 is DEAD

Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
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Folks,

Let's end this thread. This list is not the place to argue pro/con on issues like this, especially when they pertain to other manufacturer's products.

73,
Eric
List Moderator
elecraft.com
_..._



> On May 17, 2014, at 11:19 PM, Phil Wheeler <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Good that you're so firm about it. It matters not to me; I have excellent, small keyboards of both persuasions.
>
> One might as well argue that the P3 SVGA add-in should support HDMI instead of the relatively ancient SVGA.
>
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It's the 21st Century Guys! Wireless is the future!

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Well then something pertaining to Elecraft gear.  I'm working on a
BlueTooth/Android setup that does this same thing.  Plug a BlueTooth
serial adapter into a K3/KX3 and get a terminal for PSK/RTTY and some
rig control from your Android device.  Forget USB.  Even THAT is ancient
history.   I'm sure others are working on it too.  Even a full network
control application is possible over WiFi.  Just a matter of time.

Doug -- K0DXV

On 5/17/2014 9:28 PM, Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft wrote:

> Folks,
>
> Let's end this thread. This list is not the place to argue pro/con on issues like this, especially when they pertain to other manufacturer's products.
>
> 73,
> Eric
> List Moderator
> elecraft.com
> _..._
>
>
>
>> On May 17, 2014, at 11:19 PM, Phil Wheeler <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Good that you're so firm about it. It matters not to me; I have excellent, small keyboards of both persuasions.
>>
>> One might as well argue that the P3 SVGA add-in should support HDMI instead of the relatively ancient SVGA.
>>
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Re: It's the 21st Century Guys! PS2 is DEAD

Phil Hystad-3
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> One might as well argue that the P3 SVGA add-in should support HDMI instead of the relatively ancient SVGA.


Actually, I would prefer that if it supported HDMI.  I don't own any SVGA displays -- haven't owned one in over 11 years.  DVI and HDMI are the way to go these days.  I have not bought the P3 SVGA option for this very reason.  Actually, there is another possibly more important reason -- I have no use for a larger display screen on my ham shack desk.  But, the lack of either DVI or HDMI output stops me anyway.

73, phil, K7PEH




On May 17, 2014, at 8:19 PM, Phil Wheeler <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Good that you're so firm about it. It matters not to me; I have excellent, small keyboards of both persuasions.
>
> One might as well argue that the P3 SVGA add-in should support HDMI instead of the relatively ancient SVGA.
>
> Phil w7ox
>
> On 5/17/14, 7:42 PM, HREFAB wrote:
>> I am continually astounded to see expensive electronics (particularly in the
>> CW arena) being offered with PS2 connections for keyboards. The standard has
>> been dead for about 100 years now, supplanted by USB technology. To ask for
>> over $300.00 for a decoder/logger/keyer is all fine and good ,but when they
>> come with outdated obsolete electronic connections, its simply a case of
>> Lazy or Cheap. I was told by a very well known manufacturer, that if they
>> had to put a USB port for the keyboard in, it would add too much to the
>> price (*while this item already had a USB port for uploading new firmware).
>> Yes, a USB port costs roughly $1.00 so in a $300.0+ dollar gadget you're
>> telling me that an extra buck is going to be a deal breaker? Come on! Sorry,
>> if it has a PS2 keyboard connection, I'm not buying it and neither should
>> anyone else.
>
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HREFAB
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Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft wrote
Folks,

Let's end this thread. This list is not the place to argue pro/con on issues like this, especially when they pertain to other manufacturer's products.

73,
Eric
List Moderator
elecraft.com
_..._
Just to be clear, I didn't mention any other manufacturers, simply stated my thoughts about antique technology. If we have an Off Topic forum, but can't post off topic subjects...what's the point? This [OT] forum would appear to me to be the PERFECT place to argue pro and con on this specific subject.

As long as people are polite and don't resort to childish name calling, OT forums can bring up interesting and useful topics for discussion. If the List Operator doesn't want manufacturers names to be used, then that should be stated up front.

73
Jim /KD2FIP
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Joe Subich, W4TV-4

My apologies to Eric posting on a closed topic.

However, the thesis that started this is wrong.  PS/2 is but one
implementation of I2C bus technology and the I2C bus is still very
much alive in many control systems.  A great many of the general
purpose micro controllers contain dedicated I2C ports and for that
reason support for PS/2 is essentially "free".

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 5/18/2014 10:49 AM, HREFAB wrote:

> Eric Swartz  WA6HHQ - Elecraft wrote
>> Folks,
>>
>> Let's end this thread. This list is not the place to argue pro/con on
>> issues like this, especially when they pertain to other manufacturer's
>> products.
>>
>> 73,
>> Eric
>> List Moderator
>> elecraft.com
>> _..._
>
> Just to be clear, I didn't mention any other manufacturers, simply stated my
> thoughts about antique technology. If we have an Off Topic forum, but can't
> post off topic subjects...what's the point?
>
> As long as people are polite and don't resort to childish name calling, OT
> forums can bring up interesting and useful topics for discussion. If the
> List Operator doesn't want manufacturers names to be used, then that should
> be stated up front.
>
> 73
> Jim /KD2FIP
>
>
>
>
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> As long as people are polite and don't resort to childish name calling, OT
> forums can bring up interesting and useful topics for discussion. If the
> List Operator doesn't want manufacturers names to be used, then that should
> be stated up front.

But this isn't a general topic forum. It is an Elecraft forum.  And guess what.
Elecraft is the owner/moderator.  People aren't here to chit chat about whatever
is on their mind, unless it relates specifically to Elecraft equipment.

Gary
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HREFAB
mcduffie wrote
But this isn't a general topic forum. It is an Elecraft forum.  And guess what.
Elecraft is the owner/moderator.  People aren't here to chit chat about whatever
is on their mind, unless it relates specifically to Elecraft equipment.

Gary

"This forum is for non ham radio posts of general interest to Elecraft list readers.  Discussion about mailing list and Nabble problems also goes here.


Well Guess what? When I read that I took it at face value.

I guess I'll have to read up on translating Plain English into some obscure ham radio language.

Tell you what, I surrender. No point in flogging this horse anymore. In the future, I'll post my OT posts to an NSA website...they read EVERYTHING...

73
Jim / KD2FIP
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Jim Lowman
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I'd prefer that, as well.  I might have an old 19" FP monitor around
here somewhere that will still accept a SVGA connection.

If I were to buy a new monitor for that purpose, it would certainly have
HDMI support, and it wouldn't cost that much, either.

All three computers in the house, including the one in the shack, use
HDMI cables, as does the satellite receiver/DVR box and the DVD player,
connected to the big-screen TV.

73 de Jim - AD6CW

On 5/17/2014 10:54 PM, Phil Hystad wrote:
>> One might as well argue that the P3 SVGA add-in should support HDMI instead of the relatively ancient SVGA.
>
> Actually, I would prefer that if it supported HDMI.  I don't own any SVGA displays -- haven't owned one in over 11 years.  DVI and HDMI are the way to go these days.  I have not bought the P3 SVGA option for this very reason.  Actually, there is another possibly more important reason -- I have no use for a larger display screen on my ham shack desk.  But, the lack of either DVI or HDMI output stops me anyway.
>
> 73, phil, K7PEH
>
>

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