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Ken G Kopp
Sadly, only -three- nations remain non-metric.  The U.S. and two African
countries.  Shameful!

73 !

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Re: OT: Metric system

Mike Markowski-2
Just for correctness, it's not 2 African countries but Liberia and Myanmar.
I can only guess that there is no economic incentive for the US to switch.
Money talks, as they say...

73,
Mike ab3ap


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> Sadly, only -three- nations remain non-metric.  The U.S. and two African
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Re: OT: Metric system

Ron Genovesi
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We only do it to mess with Europe.

     Ron Genovesi
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> On Feb 24, 2019, at 3:17 PM, Ken G Kopp <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> Sadly, only -three- nations remain non-metric.  The U.S. and two African
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> 73 !
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Re: OT: Metric system

Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
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Folks - lets close the metric sys and F vs C temp OT threads at this this time in the interest of improving list s/n.

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Re: OT: Metric system

W2xj
Over moderated list. I prefer a low S/N personally.  

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> On Feb 24, 2019, at 6:57 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> Folks - lets close the metric sys and F vs C temp OT threads at this this time in the interest of improving list s/n.
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Re: OT: Metric system

ab2tc
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Hi all,

I am sorry, Eric, but I want add another comment to this. I was raised and
educated in Norway which I believe is one of the original signatories to the
metric system. I have come to deal with the non-metric units common here
since I moved here and I don't find it a big problem.

But I have to correct what I believe is a misconception (that the US hasn't
adopted the metric system). NIST, the federal organization responsible for
metrology in the USA is *totally* committed to the SI system which is the
current formal definition of the "metric" system. I think what sets the US
apart from most other nations is that SI units are not mandatory in
commerce. The US units of ounces, gallons, Fahrenheit, inches, feet and
miles are defined by NIST as derivatives of their SI base units, and are
obviously allowed in commerce.

So, should the US commit itself to mandate the use of SI units for all
commerce and signage? I don't know. It would be costly for sure.

AB2TC - Knut


Mike Markowski-2 wrote

> Just for correctness, it's not 2 African countries but Liberia and
> Myanmar.
> I can only guess that there is no economic incentive for the US to switch.
> Money talks, as they say...
>
> 73,
> Mike ab3ap
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 24, 2019, 6:17 PM Ken G Kopp &lt;

> kengkopp@

> &gt; wrote:
>
>> Sadly, only -three- nations remain non-metric.  The U.S. and two African
>> countries.  Shameful!
>>
>> 73 !
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Re: OT: Metric system

Jim Rhodes-2
Well we first authorized use of the metric system in 1866, we are working
on getting around to it. Don't rush us!

On Mon, Feb 25, 2019 at 4:06 PM ab2tc <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I am sorry, Eric, but I want add another comment to this. I was raised and
> educated in Norway which I believe is one of the original signatories to
> the
> metric system. I have come to deal with the non-metric units common here
> since I moved here and I don't find it a big problem.
>
> But I have to correct what I believe is a misconception (that the US hasn't
> adopted the metric system). NIST, the federal organization responsible for
> metrology in the USA is *totally* committed to the SI system which is the
> current formal definition of the "metric" system. I think what sets the US
> apart from most other nations is that SI units are not mandatory in
> commerce. The US units of ounces, gallons, Fahrenheit, inches, feet and
> miles are defined by NIST as derivatives of their SI base units, and are
> obviously allowed in commerce.
>
> So, should the US commit itself to mandate the use of SI units for all
> commerce and signage? I don't know. It would be costly for sure.
>
> AB2TC - Knut
>
>
> Mike Markowski-2 wrote
> > Just for correctness, it's not 2 African countries but Liberia and
> > Myanmar.
> > I can only guess that there is no economic incentive for the US to
> switch.
> > Money talks, as they say...
> >
> > 73,
> > Mike ab3ap
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Feb 24, 2019, 6:17 PM Ken G Kopp &lt;
>
> > kengkopp@
>
> > &gt; wrote:
> >
> >> Sadly, only -three- nations remain non-metric.  The U.S. and two African
> >> countries.  Shameful!
> >>
> >> 73 !
> >>
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Re: OT: Metric system

k6dgw
Yep, we're going metric ... inch by inch.

73,
Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 2/25/2019 2:12 PM, Jim Rhodes wrote:
> Well we first authorized use of the metric system in 1866, we are working
> on getting around to it. Don't rush us!
>
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Re: OT: Metric system

k6dgw
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Yep, we're going metric ... inch by inch.

73,
Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 2/25/2019 2:12 PM, Jim Rhodes wrote:
> Well we first authorized use of the metric system in 1866, we are working
> on getting around to it. Don't rush us!
>
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Re: OT: Metric system

ab2tc
Hi again,

Hopefully Eric will find it in his heart to let this thread continue.

Yes, we are. Booze and wine are now sold by the liter. Curiously beer is
generally not. In my opinion gas stations should be the next in line to
convert. I am sure modern pumps could easily be reprogrammed to display
liters instead of gallons. To the uneducated the price per liter would look
like  a bargain. Wow, less than a dollar! I don't think super markets would
encounter a huge cost converting from lbs to kilos either. Probably the road
signage would be the biggest cost problem.

AB2TC - Knut


k6dgw wrote

> Yep, we're going metric ... inch by inch.
>
> 73,
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 2/25/2019 2:12 PM, Jim Rhodes wrote:
>> Well we first authorized use of the metric system in 1866, we are working
>> on getting around to it. Don't rush us!
>>
>>
>
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Re: OT: Metric system

Kevin McQuiggin (SFU)
For what it’s worth, metric units outside of the US are often spelled differently.  For example, “litre” rather than the US-spelt “liter”, or “kilometre” rather than the US term “kilometer”.  

A “meter” is a device on an instrument panel!  This is likely a UK or European holdover.  

Similarly, in Canada, when talking about a “center” (US), we write it as “centre”.

A “centre” is a place or an institution, for example a community centre, or a university research centre.  “Center” means the middle of something, like the center of a photograph or the center of a line.

Just my two cents on this off-topic but interesting discussion!

73,

Kevin
VE7ZD

> On Feb 25, 2019, at 3:08 PM, ab2tc <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hi again,
>
> Hopefully Eric will find it in his heart to let this thread continue.
>
> Yes, we are. Booze and wine are now sold by the liter. Curiously beer is
> generally not. In my opinion gas stations should be the next in line to
> convert. I am sure modern pumps could easily be reprogrammed to display
> liters instead of gallons. To the uneducated the price per liter would look
> like  a bargain. Wow, less than a dollar! I don't think super markets would
> encounter a huge cost converting from lbs to kilos either. Probably the road
> signage would be the biggest cost problem.
>
> AB2TC - Knut
>
>
> k6dgw wrote
>> Yep, we're going metric ... inch by inch.
>>
>> 73,
>> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
>> Sparks NV DM09dn
>> Washoe County
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2/25/2019 2:12 PM, Jim Rhodes wrote:
>>> Well we first authorized use of the metric system in 1866, we are working
>>> on getting around to it. Don't rush us!
>>>
>>>
>>
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Re: OT: Metric system

Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
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Folks - Let's end this thread at this time. Its already past the OT posting limit.

For interested readers, just search the nabble Elecraft list archive on 'metric'
and you will find a wealth of past postings on it.

For the record - due to my engineering profession, I'm immersed in the metric
world daily, regardless of where I am living. :-)

73,
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Re: OT: Metric system

Phil Kane-2
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On 2/25/2019 2:05 PM, ab2tc wrote:

> So, should the US commit itself to mandate the use of SI units for all
> commerce and signage? I don't know. It would be costly for sure.

I prefer the SFF (Stone, Furling, Fortnight) system that was used in
engineering back in the Dark Ages before Elecraft invented good
solid-state ham equipment.   :)

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402

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Re: OT: Metric system

Doug Renwick
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Center and Centre are interchangeable. They mean the same. Although Canadian
I use the American center, liter and kilometer; to me it makes sense. Spell
it like it sounds. In Canada we still buy lumber 2 x 4 in 8 ft lengths and
sheets 4 x 8. We need two set of wrenches Imperial and Metric. Should have
stayed with US units as America is our largest trading partner.

Doug

"The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits."
Albert Einstein

-----Original Message-----

For what it's worth, metric units outside of the US are often spelled
differently.  For example, "litre" rather than the US-spelt "liter", or
"kilometre" rather than the US term "kilometer".  

A "meter" is a device on an instrument panel!  This is likely a UK or
European holdover.  

Similarly, in Canada, when talking about a "center" (US), we write it as
"centre".

A "centre" is a place or an institution, for example a community centre, or
a university research centre.  "Center" means the middle of something, like
the center of a photograph or the center of a line.

Just my two cents on this off-topic but interesting discussion!

73,

Kevin
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Re: OT: Metric system

Jim Rhodes-2
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In the UK the still go down the pub for a pint though.

Jim Rhodes
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On Mon, Feb 25, 2019, 17:08 ab2tc <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi again,
>
> Hopefully Eric will find it in his heart to let this thread continue.
>
> Yes, we are. Booze and wine are now sold by the liter. Curiously beer is
> generally not. In my opinion gas stations should be the next in line to
> convert. I am sure modern pumps could easily be reprogrammed to display
> liters instead of gallons. To the uneducated the price per liter would look
> like  a bargain. Wow, less than a dollar! I don't think super markets would
> encounter a huge cost converting from lbs to kilos either. Probably the
> road
> signage would be the biggest cost problem.
>
> AB2TC - Knut
>
>
> k6dgw wrote
> > Yep, we're going metric ... inch by inch.
> >
> > 73,
> > Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> > Sparks NV DM09dn
> > Washoe County
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 2/25/2019 2:12 PM, Jim Rhodes wrote:
> >> Well we first authorized use of the metric system in 1866, we are
> working
> >> on getting around to it. Don't rush us!
> >>
> >>
> >
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Re: OT: Metric system

donovanf
And in the UK and Ireland they still measure body weight in stone...


1 st = 14 lb = 6.35 kg


73
Frank
W3LPL

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In the UK the still go down the pub for a pint though.

Jim Rhodes
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On Mon, Feb 25, 2019, 17:08 ab2tc <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi again,
>
> Hopefully Eric will find it in his heart to let this thread continue.
>
> Yes, we are. Booze and wine are now sold by the liter. Curiously beer is
> generally not. In my opinion gas stations should be the next in line to
> convert. I am sure modern pumps could easily be reprogrammed to display
> liters instead of gallons. To the uneducated the price per liter would look
> like a bargain. Wow, less than a dollar! I don't think super markets would
> encounter a huge cost converting from lbs to kilos either. Probably the
> road
> signage would be the biggest cost problem.
>
> AB2TC - Knut
>
>
> k6dgw wrote
> > Yep, we're going metric ... inch by inch.
> >
> > 73,
> > Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> > Sparks NV DM09dn
> > Washoe County
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 2/25/2019 2:12 PM, Jim Rhodes wrote:
> >> Well we first authorized use of the metric system in 1866, we are
> working
> >> on getting around to it. Don't rush us!
> >>
> >>
> >
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Re: OT: Metric system

ne5dl
In reply to this post by Ken G Kopp

But at the Pub a pint is 20 ounce’s not 16 as in the US.......Sorry Eric.

Dave NE5DL

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Re: OT: Metric system

Ron Genovesi
Hmmm....

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> On Feb 25, 2019, at 8:14 PM, David Lear <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> But at the Pub a pint is 20 ounce’s not 16 as in the US.......Sorry Eric.
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> Dave NE5DL
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Re: OT: Metric system

Ron Genovesi
In reply to this post by Phil Kane-2
Not sure Elecraft is going to give the height of the KPA-1500 as 1.2 (Aprox) hands in height  ;-)

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> On Feb 25, 2019, at 3:36 PM, Phil Kane <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>> On 2/25/2019 2:05 PM, ab2tc wrote:
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>> So, should the US commit itself to mandate the use of SI units for all
>> commerce and signage? I don't know. It would be costly for sure.
>
> I prefer the SFF (Stone, Furling, Fortnight) system that was used in
> engineering back in the Dark Ages before Elecraft invented good
> solid-state ham equipment.   :)
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Re: OT: Metric system

K4THE
** There are only two types of countries: **
1. The ones that use the metric system.
2. The one that put men on the moon.
Dennis K4THE

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