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OT - Neumann vs. Heil Michrophone

David Ahrendts
I have my ESSB and AM higher fidelity hat on. Seeking opinions on the Heil PR 40 vs. the Neumann TLM 103.

David Ahrendts, KK6DA, Los Angeles



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R: OT - Neumann vs. Heil Michrophone

IK4EWX
The Neumann are the top of studio microphones, the best of the best. Used also on radio diffusions.
It seem to me too much for an ham radio station. But if you can buy it, it is sure a greatest microphone!
Ian IK4EWX

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I have my ESSB and AM higher fidelity hat on. Seeking opinions on the Heil PR 40 vs. the Neumann TLM 103.

David Ahrendts, KK6DA, Los Angeles



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Re: R: OT - Neumann vs. Heil Michrophone

Jim Brown-10
On Mon,7/4/2016 2:43 PM, [hidden email] wrote:
> It seem to me too much for an ham radio station.

Wretched excess. Comes under the heading of a fool and his money are
easily separated. :) I own about a dozen Neumann mics that I use for
recording. I use a Yamaha CM500 in my ham station.

73, Jim K9YC

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Re: OT - Neumann vs. Heil Michrophone

ve3dvy
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 Never understood why one would spend so much on a mic.  even AM or
ESSB  a mic like that Neumann TLM 103  mic is way overkill     its
sort like drinking a Dom Perignon  with a Big Mac.   any reasonable
sounding mic will have better audio than the best sounding SSB
transmitter will need.






David Moes
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> Date: Monday, 04/07/2016  5:37 PM
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> I have my ESSB and AM higher fidelity hat on. Seeking opinions on the
> Heil PR 40 vs. the Neumann TLM 103.
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> David Ahrendts, KK6DA, Los Angeles
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Re: OT - Neumann vs. Heil Michrophone

ve3dvy
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No No  not K3 = Big Mac    its SSB and even AM audio in general  = Big
Mac

David Moes
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> On Jul 4, 2016, at 7:31 PM, [hidden email] wrote:
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>> Never understood why one would spend so much on a mic.  even AM or
>> ESSB  a mic like that Neumann TLM 103  mic is way overkill     its
>> sort like drinking a Dom Perignon  with a Big Mac.   any reasonable
>> sounding mic will have better audio than the best sounding SSB
>> transmitter will need.
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>> David Moes
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>>> I have my ESSB and AM higher fidelity hat on. Seeking opinions on the
>>> Heil PR 40 vs. the Neumann TLM 103.
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>>> David Ahrendts, KK6DA, Los Angeles
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Re: R: OT - Neumann vs. Heil Michrophone

Bill K9YEQ
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Or, as a wealthy customer pointed out to me : "many people have more $ than
brains!".

Bill
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On Mon,7/4/2016 2:43 PM, [hidden email] wrote:
> It seem to me too much for an ham radio station.

Wretched excess. Comes under the heading of a fool and his money are easily
separated. :) I own about a dozen Neumann mics that I use for recording. I
use a Yamaha CM500 in my ham station.

73, Jim K9YC

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Re: R: OT - Neumann vs. Heil Michrophone

bill steffey
from a guy who worked for :

  in alpha order

AKG
Shure Bros
Sennheiser


SPEND THE BUCKS ON THE ANTENNA.....

get an electret element from RatSchak, put it on the end of a gooseneck lamp
( do take out the bulb) ....   stuff on an old mic windscreen to make
you feel good

and tada .....   a great sounding 25$ mic system....
    2$ for the mic        23 for the chrome gooseneck lamp

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Re: R: OT - Neumann vs. Heil Michrophone

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Or buy a 30 buck Audio Technica or Behringer mic and EQ it your radio. I have both and just sold my EV RE-20 & Marshall V-77. The Heils are long gone…

73, Brian K3USC (since 1962)



> On Jul 6, 2016, at 9:09 AM, Bill Steffey NY9H <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> from a guy who worked for :
>
> in alpha order
>
> AKG
> Shure Bros
> Sennheiser
>
>
> SPEND THE BUCKS ON THE ANTENNA.....
>
> get an electret element from RatSchak, put it on the end of a gooseneck lamp
> ( do take out the bulb) ....   stuff on an old mic windscreen to make you feel good
>
> and tada .....   a great sounding 25$ mic system....
>   2$ for the mic        23 for the chrome gooseneck lamp
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Re: R: OT - Neumann vs. Heil Michrophone

hf4me
Telephone mic elements work quite well also.  They have been in continuous development since their first use on March 10, 1876.  73, Jim KG0KP

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Or buy a 30 buck Audio Technica or Behringer mic and EQ it your radio. I have both and just sold my EV RE-20 & Marshall V-77. The Heils are long gone…

73, Brian K3USC (since 1962)



> On Jul 6, 2016, at 9:09 AM, Bill Steffey NY9H <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> from a guy who worked for :
>
> in alpha order
>
> AKG
> Shure Bros
> Sennheiser
>
>
> SPEND THE BUCKS ON THE ANTENNA.....
>
> get an electret element from RatSchak, put it on the end of a gooseneck lamp
> ( do take out the bulb) ....   stuff on an old mic windscreen to make you feel good
>
> and tada .....   a great sounding 25$ mic system....
>   2$ for the mic        23 for the chrome gooseneck lamp
>
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Re: R: OT - Neumann vs. Heil Michrophone

Jim Brown-10
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On Wed,7/6/2016 6:32 AM, Brian Hemmis wrote:
> Or buy a 30 buck Audio Technica or Behringer mic and EQ it your radio.

K3, K3S, KX3, and KX2 all have a fine TX equalizer built-in. There is
ZERO need for anything outboard.

73, Jim K9YC

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Re: OT - Neumann vs. Heil Michrophone

bhemmis
Exactly Jim. The internal EQ of most of the current radios will make most mics sound pretty good. No need for the stacks of outboard some guys use.

73, Brian K3USC


> On Jul 6, 2016, at 5:34 PM, Jim Brown <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> On Wed,7/6/2016 6:32 AM, Brian Hemmis wrote:
>> Or buy a 30 buck Audio Technica or Behringer mic and EQ it your radio.
>
> K3, K3S, KX3, and KX2 all have a fine TX equalizer built-in. There is ZERO need for anything outboard.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
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Re: OT - Neumann vs. Heil Michrophone

Joe Subich, W4TV-4

On 7/6/2016 7:40 PM, Brian Hemmis wrote:
> Exactly Jim. The internal EQ of most of the current radios will make
 > most mics sound pretty good

Or make them sound terrible for those lids who boost the lows all the
way down to 30 Hz and over drive the highs in an attempt to compensate
for the filtering built into the transceiver DSP or transmit IF.

In general any input below 200 Hz is a waste of transmit power and
contributes to distortion in the audio processing stages.  Excess
high frequency clipping also generates significant splatter when the
heavily processed modulation is passed through a PA stage which is
itself in compression (non-linear).

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 7/6/2016 7:40 PM, Brian Hemmis wrote:

> Exactly Jim. The internal EQ of most of the current radios will make most mics sound pretty good. No need for the stacks of outboard some guys use.
>
> 73, Brian K3USC
>
>
>> On Jul 6, 2016, at 5:34 PM, Jim Brown <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> On Wed,7/6/2016 6:32 AM, Brian Hemmis wrote:
>>> Or buy a 30 buck Audio Technica or Behringer mic and EQ it your radio.
>>
>> K3, K3S, KX3, and KX2 all have a fine TX equalizer built-in. There is ZERO need for anything outboard.
>>
>> 73, Jim K9YC
>>
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Re: OT - Neumann vs. Heil Michrophone

Gary Smith-2
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David,

I have two TLM 103 and they are a decent
albeit not fantastic studio microphone.
There is no way I would ever see it
sensible to use them on Ham Radio as the
off axis response they bring to the table
will pick up every sound in your shack and
that will pass right along into your
transmission.

If you ever had a fan running in your
shack or an irate significant other
anywhere in the house, everybody would
know it.

A poor choice for a communications rig.

73,

Gary
KA1J

> I have my ESSB and AM higher fidelity hat on. Seeking opinions on the
> Heil PR 40 vs. the Neumann TLM 103.
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Re: OT - Neumann vs. Heil Michrophone

Phillip Lontz
The Neuman's may well pass on all the details of audio in your shack BUT they will also pass on one of the most beautiful vocals as well.
I say try it and see how good it can be. Don't forget to EQ!
Phil
K5SSR

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> On Dec 20, 2016, at 11:15 PM, Gary Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> David,
>
> I have two TLM 103 and they are a decent
> albeit not fantastic studio microphone.
> There is no way I would ever see it
> sensible to use them on Ham Radio as the
> off axis response they bring to the table
> will pick up every sound in your shack and
> that will pass right along into your
> transmission.
>
> If you ever had a fan running in your
> shack or an irate significant other
> anywhere in the house, everybody would
> know it.
>
> A poor choice for a communications rig.
>
> 73,
>
> Gary
> KA1J
>
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>> Heil PR 40 vs. the Neumann TLM 103.
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Re: OT - Neumann vs. Heil Michrophone

Jim Brown-10
On Wed,12/21/2016 6:52 AM, Phillip Lontz wrote:
> The Neuman's may well pass on all the details of audio in your shack BUT they will also pass on one of the most beautiful vocals as well.

I have a dozen or so Neumann mics in my stock of recording mics, in
addition to similar AKGs. I wouldn't dream of using any of them in my
ham station.

Ham radio is not about "beautiful," it's about communications.

73, Jim K9YC

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