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Proposed: more 6 meter CW beacons

wayne burdick
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When 6 meters opens up, a few low-power CW beacons I’ve never heard always pop up in the low end of the band. We could use a lot more of these during sporadic-E seasons. If you have a 6-meter-capable QRP rig gathering dust and an antenna to put it on, you might consider joining in. In addition to giving us a few more data points on propagation, it’s a novel way of promoting CW use.

If you decide to put a beacon on the air, please let us know so we can all listen for it.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

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Re: Proposed: more 6 meter CW beacons

Jim AB3CV
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73

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On Sun, Jul 1, 2018 at 11:34 AM Walter Underwood <[hidden email]>
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> Hmm, sounds like a good idea for a kit…
>
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> > On Jul 1, 2018, at 7:32 AM, Wayne Burdick <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > When 6 meters opens up, a few low-power CW beacons I’ve never heard
> always pop up in the low end of the band. We could use a lot more of these
> during sporadic-E seasons. If you have a 6-meter-capable QRP rig gathering
> dust and an antenna to put it on, you might consider joining in. In
> addition to giving us a few more data points on propagation, it’s a novel
> way of promoting CW use.
> >
> > If you decide to put a beacon on the air, please let us know so we can
> all listen for it.
> >
> > 73,
> > Wayne
> > N6KR
> >
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Re: Proposed: more 6 meter CW beacons

Charlie T, K3ICH
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I know it's no longer a requirement, and I especially can't argue the point, BUT, I would ask that any proposed 6M beacon use a call sign appropriate for the location of the beacon.
Yeah I know, the grid square should be sufficient, but years ago, there was a 6M beacon in the Washington DC area signing a KL7 call. This was before the proliferation of out-of-area call signs were common.  Talk about shaking up the troops when THAT one hit the airwaves!

And yes, when I moved to Virginia I held a secondary location call,  WA4LJQ (could it get much longer for CW?), with k3ICH still assigned to my parents house in Forestville MD where I was 1st licensed as KN3ICH.
I was very lucky to have been able to hang onto my original call, as many didn't have the luxury and had to loose their old calls when they applied for the new station location.

73, Charlie k3ICH/4


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Subject: [Elecraft] Proposed: more 6 meter CW beacons

When 6 meters opens up, a few low-power CW beacons I’ve never heard always pop up in the low end of the band. We could use a lot more of these during sporadic-E seasons. If you have a 6-meter-capable QRP rig gathering dust and an antenna to put it on, you might consider joining in. In addition to giving us a few more data points on propagation, it’s a novel way of promoting CW use.

If you decide to put a beacon on the air, please let us know so we can all listen for it.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

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Re: Proposed: more 6 meter CW beacons

Tommy
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   Hi Wayne and list,

      You could also monitor 6m FT8, this is another good propagation
indicator as well. Then jump back on CW.

73!

Tom - KB2SMS


On 07/01/2018 10:32 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> When 6 meters opens up, a few low-power CW beacons I’ve never heard always pop up in the low end of the band. We could use a lot more of these during sporadic-E seasons. If you have a 6-meter-capable QRP rig gathering dust and an antenna to put it on, you might consider joining in. In addition to giving us a few more data points on propagation, it’s a novel way of promoting CW use.
>
> If you decide to put a beacon on the air, please let us know so we can all listen for it.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>

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Re: Proposed: more 6 meter CW beacons

NK7Z
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That is a good suggestion, someone in EU has something like that for
WSPR.  Little box that is self contained, does CW ID, and then does
WSPR.  About the size of a candy bar.

73s and thanks,
Dave
NK7Z
https://www.nk7z.net

On 07/01/2018 08:33 AM, Walter Underwood wrote:

> Hmm, sounds like a good idea for a kit…
>
> wunder
> K6WRU
> Walter Underwood
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>
>> On Jul 1, 2018, at 7:32 AM, Wayne Burdick <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> When 6 meters opens up, a few low-power CW beacons I’ve never heard always pop up in the low end of the band. We could use a lot more of these during sporadic-E seasons. If you have a 6-meter-capable QRP rig gathering dust and an antenna to put it on, you might consider joining in. In addition to giving us a few more data points on propagation, it’s a novel way of promoting CW use.
>>
>> If you decide to put a beacon on the air, please let us know so we can all listen for it.
>>
>> 73,
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>>
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Re: Proposed: more 6 meter CW beacons

NK7Z
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I have a script that announces openings, based on scraping my DX Cluster.

If it sees DX stations spotting US stations from my CQ zone, it
announces that band as open.  I am converting it to Grid square, as I
want more resolution.  I will probably just look at the first two
characters of the Grid Square, and trigger from that.

It is a Perl based script.  If anyone wants it, email me off line, you
are welcome to it.

73s and thanks,
Dave
NK7Z
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On 07/01/2018 08:57 AM, Tommy wrote:

>    Hi Wayne and list,
>
>       You could also monitor 6m FT8, this is another good propagation
> indicator as well. Then jump back on CW.
>
> 73!
>
> Tom - KB2SMS
>
>
> On 07/01/2018 10:32 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
>> When 6 meters opens up, a few low-power CW beacons I’ve never heard
>> always pop up in the low end of the band. We could use a lot more of
>> these during sporadic-E seasons. If you have a 6-meter-capable QRP rig
>> gathering dust and an antenna to put it on, you might consider joining
>> in. In addition to giving us a few more data points on propagation,
>> it’s a novel way of promoting CW use.
>>
>> If you decide to put a beacon on the air, please let us know so we can
>> all listen for it.
>>
>> 73,
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>>
>>
>
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Re: Proposed: more 6 meter CW beacons

wayne burdick
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I heard from a couple of ops that the weak-signal community would prefer beacons be located higher in the band, say above 50.150.

According to published references I’ve seen, beacons reside from 50.060-50.090, and that is where I have found them (for many years). If this is a problem, someone should get the word out.

One reference in extensive use is the one from Nifty! manuals. See 6 m listings.

Wayne
N6KR


> On Jul 1, 2018, at 8:33 AM, Walter Underwood <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hmm, sounds like a good idea for a kit…
>
> wunder
> K6WRU
> Walter Underwood
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>
>> On Jul 1, 2018, at 7:32 AM, Wayne Burdick <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> When 6 meters opens up, a few low-power CW beacons I’ve never heard always pop up in the low end of the band. We could use a lot more of these during sporadic-E seasons. If you have a 6-meter-capable QRP rig gathering dust and an antenna to put it on, you might consider joining in. In addition to giving us a few more data points on propagation, it’s a novel way of promoting CW use.
>>
>> If you decide to put a beacon on the air, please let us know so we can all listen for it.
>>
>> 73,
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>>
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Re: Proposed: more 6 meter CW beacons

donovanf
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Hi Dave,


This is the device you're referring to. It transmits 200 milliwatts
on every WSPR segment in every ham band from 630 through 6
meters. 200 milliwatts is amazingly effective when using two
minute WSPR transmissions.


https://dxengineering.com/parts/sbm-wsprliteflex 


73
Frank
W3LPL

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From: "Dave Cole (NK7Z)" <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Sunday, July 1, 2018 4:07:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Proposed: more 6 meter CW beacons

That is a good suggestion, someone in EU has something like that for
WSPR. Little box that is self contained, does CW ID, and then does
WSPR. About the size of a candy bar.

73s and thanks,
Dave
NK7Z
https://www.nk7z.net 

On 07/01/2018 08:33 AM, Walter Underwood wrote:

> Hmm, sounds like a good idea for a kit…
>
> wunder
> K6WRU
> Walter Underwood
> CM87wj
> http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)
>
>> On Jul 1, 2018, at 7:32 AM, Wayne Burdick <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> When 6 meters opens up, a few low-power CW beacons I’ve never heard always pop up in the low end of the band. We could use a lot more of these during sporadic-E seasons. If you have a 6-meter-capable QRP rig gathering dust and an antenna to put it on, you might consider joining in. In addition to giving us a few more data points on propagation, it’s a novel way of promoting CW use.
>>
>> If you decide to put a beacon on the air, please let us know so we can all listen for it.
>>
>> 73,
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>>
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Re: Proposed: more 6 meter CW beacons

G4GNX
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https://www.sotabeams.co.uk/


73,

Alan. G4GNX

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Cole (NK7Z)
Sent: Sunday, July 1, 2018 5:07 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Proposed: more 6 meter CW beacons

That is a good suggestion, someone in EU has something like that for
WSPR.  Little box that is self contained, does CW ID, and then does
WSPR.  About the size of a candy bar.

73s and thanks,
Dave
NK7Z
https://www.nk7z.net

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Re: Proposed: more 6 meter CW beacons

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May I raise a word of caution and suggest that you carefully consider
the frequency of any beacon in view of the international use of the band.

  50.000-50.030 MHz reserved for a Synchronised Beacon Project
*Region-1: *50.000-50.010; *Region-2: *50.010-50.020; *Region-3:
*50.020-50.030

  General beacons have migrated to 50.4-50.5 MHz, to create more space
for Telegraphy and the new Synchronised Beacon Project.

  Perhaps a word with regular users of the band may be a useful way forward.

73

  Peter

  G3SMT





>>> On Jul 1, 2018, at 7:32 AM, Wayne Burdick <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> When 6 meters opens up, a few low-power CW beacons I’ve never heard
>>> always pop up in the low end of the band. We could use a lot more of
>>> these during sporadic-E seasons. If you have a 6-meter-capable QRP
>>> rig gathering dust and an antenna to put it on, you might consider
>>> joining in. In addition to giving us a few more data points on
>>> propagation, it’s a novel way of promoting CW use.
>>>
>>> If you decide to put a beacon on the air, please let us know so we
>>> can all listen for it.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Wayne
>>> N6KR
>>>
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Re: Proposed: more 6 meter CW beacons

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73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 7/1/2018 8:52 AM, Charlie T wrote:
> And yes, when I moved to Virginia I held a secondary location call,  WA4LJQ (could it get much longer for CW?), with k3ICH still assigned to my parents house in Forestville MD where I was 1st licensed as KN3ICH.
>
>
> 73, Charlie k3ICH/4
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Re: Proposed: more 6 meter CW beacons

NK7Z
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Hi,
That's it!  Wouldn't that be nice to have a 6 meter beacon like that...
It is so small that every year folks could break it out, put up a
beacon, then loose it and buy a new one the next year!

73s and thanks,
Dave
NK7Z
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On 07/01/2018 09:39 AM, [hidden email] wrote:

> Hi Dave,
>
>
> This is the device you're referring to. It transmits 200 milliwatts
> on every WSPR segment in every ham band from 630 through 6
> meters. 200 milliwatts is amazingly effective when using two
> minute WSPR transmissions.
>
>
> https://dxengineering.com/parts/sbm-wsprliteflex
>
>
> 73
> Frank
> W3LPL
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: "Dave Cole (NK7Z)" <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Sunday, July 1, 2018 4:07:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Proposed: more 6 meter CW beacons
>
> That is a good suggestion, someone in EU has something like that for
> WSPR. Little box that is self contained, does CW ID, and then does
> WSPR. About the size of a candy bar.
>
> 73s and thanks,
> Dave
> NK7Z
> https://www.nk7z.net
>
> On 07/01/2018 08:33 AM, Walter Underwood wrote:
>> Hmm, sounds like a good idea for a kit…
>>
>> wunder
>> K6WRU
>> Walter Underwood
>> CM87wj
>> http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)
>>
>>> On Jul 1, 2018, at 7:32 AM, Wayne Burdick <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> When 6 meters opens up, a few low-power CW beacons I’ve never heard always pop up in the low end of the band. We could use a lot more of these during sporadic-E seasons. If you have a 6-meter-capable QRP rig gathering dust and an antenna to put it on, you might consider joining in. In addition to giving us a few more data points on propagation, it’s a novel way of promoting CW use.
>>>
>>> If you decide to put a beacon on the air, please let us know so we can all listen for it.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Wayne
>>> N6KR
>>>
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Re: Proposed: more 6 meter CW beacons

Martin
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Elecrafters,
from the point of view of a european 6m user, the main activity is in
the range of 50.080 - 50.110 CW and 50.110 - 50.200 phone. If the band
is REALLY crowded, it etxtends to - say- 50.300.
Nowadays there are digital modes above 50.250 or so including FT8 on
50.313 .

Below 50.080, there are lots of cw-beacons all over EU , AF, AS.

I don't think one should establish an unattended station like a beacon
in a range of 50.080 <> 50.400 . At least not in EU. It might get pretty
loud.


--

Ohne CW ist es nur CB..

73, Martin DM4iM
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Re: Proposed: more 6 meter CW beacons

Jim Brown-10
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On 7/1/2018 7:32 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> When 6 meters opens up, a few low-power CW beacons I’ve never heard always pop up in the low end of the band. We could use a lot more of these during sporadic-E seasons.

Only if they are clean and don't give grief to neighbors, and I've heard
some that fall into this category.

73, Jim K9YC

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Re: Proposed: more 6 meter CW beacons

Jim - N4ST
Given the preponderance of FT8 users on 6M, a quick check of https://www.pskreporter.info/pskmapn.html will tell you what paths are open, be they sporadic-E, tropo or whatever.
I also donate and subscribe to https://www.dxmaps.com/spots/mapg.php? To get email alerts of 6M openings.

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Jim - N4ST

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Proposed: more 6 meter CW beacons

On 7/1/2018 7:32 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> When 6 meters opens up, a few low-power CW beacons I’ve never heard always pop up in the low end of the band. We could use a lot more of these during sporadic-E seasons.

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Re: Proposed: more 6 meter CW beacons

Hans Summers
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Frank, Dave, all

Jim AB3CV referred somewhat cryptically to my website
http://www.hanssummers.com yesterday in this thread. What he I think
*meant* to refer to was QRP Labs Ultimate3S "U3S" transmitter kit page
http://qrp-labs.com/ultimate3/u3s .

WSPR Lite does only WSPR and does not include a LPF. The U3S covers any
band from 2200m to 2m, with more power output and includes one LPF... or an
optional relay board can cover 6 bands and sequence through them. At $33 it
is also very much cheaper. The "U3S" also has a lot of other features, and
can send many other modes too, including CW, QRSS, JT4, JT9, JT76, Opera,
Pi4, Hellschreiber, ISCAT. So it is possible to do what Dave NK7Z
originally mentioned: a 6m beacon sending both CW and WSPR. The GPS
interface on the "U3S" means you can let it run autonomously indefinitely,
the GPS disciplines both the time and frequency.

I know this is not an advertising forum but several options have been
mentioned, including my personal website, and the U3S is a direct solution
to the 6m beacon that Wayne was proposing, and is already in use as such by
many people worldwide. So I hope it is Ok to mention it here.

73 Hans G0UPL
http://qrp-labs.com


> That's it!  Wouldn't that be nice to have a 6 meter beacon like that...
> It is so small that every year folks could break it out, put up a
> beacon, then loose it and buy a new one the next year!
>
> 73s and thanks,
> Dave
> NK7Z
> https://www.nk7z.net
>
> On 07/01/2018 09:39 AM, [hidden email] wrote:
> > Hi Dave,
> >
> >
> > This is the device you're referring to. It transmits 200 milliwatts
> > on every WSPR segment in every ham band from 630 through 6
> > meters. 200 milliwatts is amazingly effective when using two
> > minute WSPR transmissions.
> >
> >
> > https://dxengineering.com/parts/sbm-wsprliteflex
> >
> >
> > 73
> > Frank
> > W3LPL
>
>
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