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Question for California Hams

len
Wondering if this is true:

https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/california-officials-declare-ham-radio-no-longer-a-benefit-demands-ham-radio-repeater-infrastructure-to-be-removed

A friend sent me this.

Len

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Re: Question for California Hams

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Yes this came up on another list and there is a YouTube link.

https://youtu.be/lv2sb4LJq2g


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Re: Question for California Hams

Alan Bloom
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It sounds like one guy's rant to me.  He refers to a letter supposedly
sent by CAL FIRE, but gives no reference to back up the claim.

In Sonoma County, California we have a 146.13/73 repeater system at the
County site on Sonoma Mountain that has been there for years.  I'm a
member of the local ACS (Auxiliary Communications Service, basically
RACES) but I have heard nothing about any changes to the repeater
status.

CAL FIRE's Volunteers In Prevention (VIP) program uses specially-trained
Amateur Radio operators to assist CAL FIRE's efforts during wildland
fires and other emergencies.  It's been many years since I was involved,
but the program is still going strong as far as I know:

https://www.fire.ca.gov/programs/communications/volunteers-in-prevention/


Alan N1AL

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Re: Question for California Hams

Grant Youngman-2
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This has been generally debunked.  Apparently ONE California repeater operator was found to have not paid agreed to and billed tower and colocation fees for his repeater and got his shorts bunched up when they came after him.   He then began what is essentially a “fake news” campaign (in the current terminology).  

YMMV, depending on your attraction to conspiracy theories …

Grant NQ5T
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> On Oct 12, 2019, at 2:18 PM, W2xj <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> Yes this came up on another list and there is a YouTube link.
>
> https://youtu.be/lv2sb4LJq2g
>
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> Sent from my iPad
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>> On Oct 12, 2019, at 1:59 PM, [hidden email] wrote:
>>
>> Wondering if this is true:
>>
>> https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/california-officials-declare-ham-radio-no-longer-a-benefit-demands-ham-radio-repeater-infrastructure-to-be-removed
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>> A friend sent me this.
>>
>> Len
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>> 73
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Re: Question for California Hams

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Half truth....well maybe 1/4 truth....one, repeat ONE, repeater owner got a letter from a tower he was on, but didn’t own, that he would be charged rent going forward....he didn’t like it, and started all this crap....no “officials” declared that ham radio was no longer a benefit....one guy , the repeater owner, started all this by posting on qrz.com a few weeks ago. His call was K6UDA.


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Re: Question for California Hams

Rick Tavan-2
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Yes, it was sensationalized in the extreme. Here is a page that includes a
rational report:
http://www.arrlsacvalley.org/#calfire
It seems there was a procedural/organizational change that might result in
some repeater owners needing to document their emergency communications
credentials in order to stay on government property without paying rent.

/Rick N6XI

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> This has been generally debunked.  Apparently ONE California repeater
> operator was found to have not paid agreed to and billed tower and
> colocation fees for his repeater and got his shorts bunched up when they
> came after him.   He then began what is essentially a “fake news” campaign
> (in the current terminology).
>
> YMMV, depending on your attraction to conspiracy theories …
>
> Grant NQ5T
> KX3 (8342)/KXPA100
>
>
> > On Oct 12, 2019, at 2:18 PM, W2xj <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > Yes this came up on another list and there is a YouTube link.
> >
> > https://youtu.be/lv2sb4LJq2g
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> >> On Oct 12, 2019, at 1:59 PM, [hidden email] wrote:
> >>
> >> Wondering if this is true:
> >>
> >>
> https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/california-officials-declare-ham-radio-no-longer-a-benefit-demands-ham-radio-repeater-infrastructure-to-be-removed
> >>
> >> A friend sent me this.
> >>
> >> Len
> >>
> >> 73
> >>
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Re: Question for California Hams

Ken K6MR
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This just shows you how well this state is run.  Fires, power outages, homelessness, third world diseases in the big cities, and what do they decide to do?



Luckily I’m in the State of Jefferson and we’re fine  :^)



Ken K6MR



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This has been generally debunked.  Apparently ONE California repeater operator was found to have not paid agreed to and billed tower and colocation fees for his repeater and got his shorts bunched up when they came after him.   He then began what is essentially a “fake news” campaign (in the current terminology).

YMMV, depending on your attraction to conspiracy theories …

Grant NQ5T
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> On Oct 12, 2019, at 2:18 PM, W2xj <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> Yes this came up on another list and there is a YouTube link.
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> https://youtu.be/lv2sb4LJq2g
>
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> Sent from my iPad
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>> On Oct 12, 2019, at 1:59 PM, [hidden email] wrote:
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>> Wondering if this is true:
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>> https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/california-officials-declare-ham-radio-no-longer-a-benefit-demands-ham-radio-repeater-infrastructure-to-be-removed
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>> A friend sent me this.
>>
>> Len
>>
>> 73
>>
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Re: Question for California Hams

Scott Manthe-2
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Hal Turner is a Holocaust denier and right-wing conspiracy peddler. I
wouldn't take anything he says seriously.

73,
Scott N9AA


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Re: Question for California Hams

rich hurd WC3T
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Reportedly, the ARRL director for the Pacific Division has an explanation
on the web site https://sites.google.com/site/arrlsacvalley/ that appears
to remove a lot of the hype.

I do not have a dog in this hunt, I'm only popping popcorn and watching the
show.


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> This just shows you how well this state is run.  Fires, power outages,
> homelessness, third world diseases in the big cities, and what do they
> decide to do?
>
>
>
> Luckily I’m in the State of Jefferson and we’re fine  :^)
>
>
>
> Ken K6MR
>
>
>
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> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2019 11:24:43 AM
> To: W2xj <[hidden email]>
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> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Question for California Hams
>
> This has been generally debunked.  Apparently ONE California repeater
> operator was found to have not paid agreed to and billed tower and
> colocation fees for his repeater and got his shorts bunched up when they
> came after him.   He then began what is essentially a “fake news” campaign
> (in the current terminology).
>
> YMMV, depending on your attraction to conspiracy theories …
>
> Grant NQ5T
> KX3 (8342)/KXPA100
>
>
> > On Oct 12, 2019, at 2:18 PM, W2xj <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > Yes this came up on another list and there is a YouTube link.
> >
> > https://youtu.be/lv2sb4LJq2g
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> >> On Oct 12, 2019, at 1:59 PM, [hidden email] wrote:
> >>
> >> Wondering if this is true:
> >>
> >>
> https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/california-officials-declare-ham-radio-no-longer-a-benefit-demands-ham-radio-repeater-infrastructure-to-be-removed
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> >> A friend sent me this.
> >>
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> >>
> >> 73
> >>
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Re: Question for California Hams

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On 10/12/2019 11:30 AM, WW3S wrote:

> Half truth....well maybe 1/4 truth....one, repeat ONE, repeater owner
> got a letter from a tower he was on, but didn’t own, that he would be
> charged rent going forward....he didn’t like it, and started all this
> crap....no “officials” declared that ham radio was no longer a
> benefit....one guy , the repeater owner, started all this by posting
> on qrz.com a few weeks ago. His call was K6UDA.

When I was with the Feds in the 1970s we were granted space on a
California State site on Mt. Diablo for our VHF (167 MHz) repeater on a
space available basis.  In the 1990s the State Department of General
Services (the "landlord") decided to charge other agencies rent.  After
years of negotiations to no avail, we took our stuff out.  Penny wise
and pound foolish.  I wonder what John Lemmon, the state's manager of
communication services, thinks of all this.

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402

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Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon
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Re: Question for California Hams

Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ
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Thread closed.  Folks, this is way OT for the Elecraft reflector.

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> On Oct 13, 2019, at 1:01 PM, Phil Kane <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> On 10/12/2019 11:30 AM, WW3S wrote:
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>> Half truth....well maybe 1/4 truth....one, repeat ONE, repeater owner
>> got a letter from a tower he was on, but didn’t own, that he would be
>> charged rent going forward....
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Re: Question for California Hams

Justin Kromelow
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Just so everyone has the facts….

Here is a link to the response from A Nathan Zelief (Lawyer) to Lorina Pisi (Cal Fire), author of the letter that started all of this.  The response has the original letter in its appendix. Obviously Lorina is not a ham.  Read and draw your own conclusions.  

http://www.shastadefense.com/FAX-CalFireHamRadio20190923.pdf

All my best,

Justin Kromelow
KM6GNH
Burlingame, CA


> On Oct 12, 2019, at 11:44 AM, Ken K6MR <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> This just shows you how well this state is run.  Fires, power outages, homelessness, third world diseases in the big cities, and what do they decide to do?
>
>
>
> Luckily I’m in the State of Jefferson and we’re fine  :^)
>
>
>
> Ken K6MR
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>> on behalf of Grant Youngman <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>>
> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2019 11:24:43 AM
> To: W2xj <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>>
> Cc: Elecraft Refl <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Question for California Hams
>
> This has been generally debunked.  Apparently ONE California repeater operator was found to have not paid agreed to and billed tower and colocation fees for his repeater and got his shorts bunched up when they came after him.   He then began what is essentially a “fake news” campaign (in the current terminology).
>
> YMMV, depending on your attraction to conspiracy theories …
>
> Grant NQ5T
> KX3 (8342)/KXPA100
>
>
>> On Oct 12, 2019, at 2:18 PM, W2xj <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Yes this came up on another list and there is a YouTube link.
>>
>> https://youtu.be/lv2sb4LJq2g
>>
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>>> On Oct 12, 2019, at 1:59 PM, [hidden email] wrote:
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>>>
>>> A friend sent me this.
>>>
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>>>
>>> 73
>>>
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KX3 PA Temperature Limit

Tony-3
In reply to this post by W2xj
All:

Anyone know what the recommended maximum operating PA temperature is for
the KX3? Or for that matter, the KX2?

73, Tony

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