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Re: Will there be a K4

Doug Person-5
My main radio is an IC-7610. Nice screen, spectrum display built in.
Cost effective for what you get. However, I miss my K3. There some
things that other radios just can't seem to do as well. Right now, my
next radio purchase will be the K4 - when ever that is. I'm convinced it
will happen. It is just a matter of time. The K3 is very dated. All the
major manufacturers now all have 7" color touch screens and real-time
spectrum displays. Performance has improved greatly all around.
Something that has happened as a result of the K3 setting a high bar.

So - is the K4 in the planning stages? No one outside of Elecraft can
answer that. But the odds are very high that it is. Elecraft has to
compete and the competition has set a new bar. The K3s is only going to
go so far while the market takes such a dramatic nee direction.

The K3s is not so different from the K3 and it was easy to upgrade the
K3 to the full equivalent of the K3s. Any potential K4 is going to be
very much like the K3s with the P3 integrated into a somewhat larger
box. Being already at or near to the top of the performance list, a K4
is going to be more about aesthetics than performance. With this in
mind, a K3s and a P3 will do anything any potential K4 will do. So it
can be a tough decision. Wait or don't wait. The K3s will not disappoint.

But, my special ham radio savings account is still growing as I wait
patiently for the K4. I just hope it won't be too long. Eric... Can I
put a deposit down now? (Just kidding...)

Doug -- KJ0F

On 3/24/2019 12:16 PM, [hidden email] wrote:

> Before I spend money on a K3S, I’m just curious.. is a K4 in the planning stages? I bought my K3 and unpackaged it and just days later the K3S was announced. I was livid.. LOL
>
> so.. what say Elecraft?
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Re: Will there be a K4

Ed K1EP
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On Sun, Mar 24, 2019, 13:16 <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Before I spend money on a K3S, I’m just curious.. is a K4 in the planning
> stages? I bought my K3 and unpackaged it and just days later the K3S was
> announced. I was livid.. LOL
>

Please buy a K3S ASAP!!    ;-)
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Re: Will there be a K4

w5sum
I think I will take my finger off the trigger on that $6000 sale and wait until after June LOL

Ronnie W5SUM

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On Sun, Mar 24, 2019, 13:16 <[hidden email]> wrote:

  Before I spend money on a K3S, I’m just curious.. is a K4 in the planning stages? I bought my K3 and unpackaged it and just days later the K3S was announced. I was livid.. LOL


Please buy a K3S ASAP!!    ;-)

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Re: Will there be a K4

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I bought my K3 in December only to see the K3s come out at Dayton.  However
I did do the upgrade which still keeps my receive on par with a K3s (maybe
not totally on par but very close).

The state of the art is such that even if you buy a K3s today and a K4
comes out at Dayton, you still have a top of the line radio, unless there
is some ground breaking innovation with a K4.

Whatever you decide, remember that the next one will certainly cost more.

- Mike - KI8R

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> Of course they can't say, since it would shut off sales for the K3S. I
> added new synthesizers to my K3, but didn't feel that the other stuff
> justified buying a new rig. But that is for everyone to decide for
> themselves.
>
> 73,
> Victor, 4X6GP
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> On 24/03/2019 19:16, [hidden email] wrote:
> > Before I spend money on a K3S, I’m just curious.. is a K4 in the
> > planning stages? I bought my K3 and unpackaged it and just days later
> > the K3S was announced. I was livid.. LOL
> >
> > so.. what say Elecraft?
> >
> > Ronnie W5SUM
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Re: Will there be a K4

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I'll second that, too.

John N1JM



wayne burdick wrote

>> it's over 25 lbs I'm not interested. Was never so happy as the day I sold
>> that 57 lb TS-990S.
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> Amen, brother. You’ll never see a home-brew rig weighing more than about
> 12 pounds in my shack.
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Re: Will there be a K4

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Will there be a K4?

It comes down to economics and the all mighty dollar.

Will hams buy enough radios for them to be economical to fund development,
manufacturing and pay staff?

Economics 101.

Mike va3mw
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Re: Will there be a K4

stengrevics
Cardinal rule of business:  New products, new products, new products.

John
WA1EAZ

> On Mar 24, 2019, at 7:28 PM, Michael Walker <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> Will there be a K4?
>
> It comes down to economics and the all mighty dollar.
>
> Will hams buy enough radios for them to be economical to fund development,
> manufacturing and pay staff?
>
> Economics 101.
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Re: Will there be a K4

NK7Z
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Jim,
Have you found a good speaker for the K3?  If so, which one is it?

73s and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
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On 3/24/19 1:25 PM, Jim Brown wrote:

> On 3/24/2019 12:29 PM, Dave Cole (NK7Z) wrote:
>> My current K3 is to die for on CW...
>
> AND on SSB, thanks to the built-in EQ for both transmit and receive, the
> excellent audio processing, the excellent receiver, including the range
> of roofing filters.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
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Re: Will there be a K4

Gary Smith-2
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I have K3 #202. It has all the upgrades
possible to the K3 including the new PA,
everything. It is covered on a shelf
waiting for the day I need it if the K3s
is being repaired. Same connections, a 3
minute swap job, done.

I have my daily runner; K3s #10622 which
has minus the 2M module, everything
including the Sub RX, fully loaded with
Elecraft bling.

In a box is my father's Icom 7something
pro, returned from repair and calibration
and with 1 month use on it. I keep it for
sentiment, I've never used it. I should
let it go.

I have my old Corsair II which I still
love but it's not quiet enough now that
the K kine has spoiled me. I'll probably
give it to a new ham or sell it, I don't
need it any longer.

So I have come to love the Elecraft
product line. I have decided if... there
is a K4 and that is an upgrade to the K3s,
I will get one and sell the K3. Sure I'll
take a hit because the low SN# will scare
some off but it'll sell at a fair price
because it is perfect. That'll go toward
the K4. If I took a good vacation that
would set me back the cost of a new radio
and I'd have nothing but smiles and photos
to show for that multiple thousand dollar
jaunt.

Put that Vacay money into a K4 and I'll
have something to give me daily smiles and
memories. Not much can beat that. So if
there's an upgrade K4, I'm in. Promise.

73,

Gary
KA1J

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Re: Will there be a K4

Peter W2IRT
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Honestly, I'm happy with my K3s, but--and I've said this many times
before--I would gladly pay a premium for an I/Q out add-on board. Honestly,
that's the one "modern" feature this top-shelf radio is missing as far as
I'm concerned.

 - pjd

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Cardinal rule of business:  New products, new products, new products.

John
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Re: Will there be a K4

Jim Brown-10
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Exactly right, and I have as much respect for Wayne and Eric for their
well developed business and marketing judgment as for their great
engineering. I started reading this reflector when I bought a loaded
used K2 in 2003 (I was running my own small biz in those days, and
didn't have time to build one), and so far, I've never seen them make a
bad call!

Elecraft is only about 25 miles from me, so many of their employees are
neighbors. For solid biz reasons, they are tight-lipped, and I've never
even tried to discuss anything with them that wasn't publicly announced.

73, Jim K9YC

On 3/24/2019 4:28 PM, Michael Walker wrote:
> It comes down to economics and the all mighty dollar.
>
> Will hams buy enough radios for them to be economical to fund development,
> manufacturing and pay staff?
>
> Economics 101.


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Re: Will there be a K4

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Consider giving it/them to a new, hopefully young, ham with the
condition that when he/she is done with it, she/he finds a new,
hopefully young, ham to give it to.  Give it with a log, each recipient
enters their data, emails you, and passes it on with the log when
they're done with it.  I've done this with three pieces of ham gear I no
longer needed now, the longest trail so far is 4, all under 35.  Five
have contacted the Really Old Fart for guidance and advice for sources
of good information.

73,
Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 3/24/2019 4:41 PM, Gary Smith wrote:

> In a box is my father's Icom 7something
> pro, returned from repair and calibration
> and with 1 month use on it. I keep it for
> sentiment, I've never used it. I should
> let it go.
>
> I have my old Corsair II which I still
> love but it's not quiet enough now that
> the K kine has spoiled me. I'll probably
> give it to a new ham or sell it, I don't
> need it any longer.
>
>

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Re: Will there be a K4

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SP3 :-)

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> On Mar 24, 2019, at 4:41 PM, Dave Cole (NK7Z) <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> Jim,
> Have you found a good speaker for the K3?  If so, which one is it?
>
> 73s and thanks,
> Dave (NK7Z)
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Re: Will there be a K4

k4vd
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It might not be fair for me to comment. I'm a KX3 user and it is used out
in the field. That's mostly because there's no better full-featured,
portable rig on the market. KX2, some compromises that some are willing to
accept. The KX3 is king on the picnic table. On the other hand, I've had no
real interest in the K3/K3s and a next generation K would need to be
something very special indeed before I could consider it.

I have tons of respect for Elecraft and what they do for amateur radio.I
think they are the most responsive, least arrogant, real hams manufacturing
and selling a great line of equipment. I wish the gear I use in the shack
was manufactured by them. The world would be perfect.

73,
Kev K4VD



On Sun, Mar 24, 2019 at 7:42 PM Jim Brown <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Exactly right, and I have as much respect for Wayne and Eric for their
> well developed business and marketing judgment as for their great
> engineering. I started reading this reflector when I bought a loaded
> used K2 in 2003 (I was running my own small biz in those days, and
> didn't have time to build one), and so far, I've never seen them make a
> bad call!
>
> Elecraft is only about 25 miles from me, so many of their employees are
> neighbors. For solid biz reasons, they are tight-lipped, and I've never
> even tried to discuss anything with them that wasn't publicly announced.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>
> On 3/24/2019 4:28 PM, Michael Walker wrote:
> > It comes down to economics and the all mighty dollar.
> >
> > Will hams buy enough radios for them to be economical to fund
> development,
> > manufacturing and pay staff?
> >
> > Economics 101.
>
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Re: Will there be a K4

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Inquiring minds want to know:
What would you all like to see as a “K4” ?

Eric
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Re: Will there be a K4

Don Wilhelm
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Dave,

Shortly after I got the K3 and well before the SP3 was introduced, I
found a pair of Radio Shack Minimus speakers in black which have worked
well with my K3.  I picked them up at a 2nd hand store for $5, so keep
your eyes open for small, efficient, unpowered "Hi-Fi" speakers at a
bargain price.  Pawn shops and 2nd hand stores often have things of that
nature.
Or use a pair of the SP3 speakers for a complete and matching K-Line
station.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 3/24/2019 7:41 PM, Dave Cole (NK7Z) wrote:
> Jim,
> Have you found a good speaker for the K3?  If so, which one is it?
>
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Re: Will there be a K4

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On 3/24/2019 5:05 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:

> Consider giving it/them to a new, hopefully young, ham with the
> condition that when he/she is done with it, she/he finds a new,
> hopefully young, ham to give it to.  Give it with a log, each recipient
> enters their data, emails you, and passes it on with the log when
> they're done with it.  I've done this with three pieces of ham gear I no
> longer needed now, the longest trail so far is 4, all under 35.  Five
> have contacted the Really Old Fart for guidance and advice for sources
> of good information.

Isn't this what good hamming is all about ??--

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402
(Same call since June 1952)

From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon
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Re: Will there be a K4

Bill K9YEQ
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All band 160-440+ 6"x9x4" with built in tuner and portable internal supply @25-30 watts out?!  I'll take two!  Oh and your software and controls.  I am sure you and wayne can do it!

73,

Bill
K9YEQ

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Inquiring minds want to know:
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Re: Will there be a K4

Bill Frantz
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I would like to see radical modularity. Having more than two
receivers would allow diversity receive while monitoring other
frequency(s). Separating the tuner from the radio would allow
locating the tuner close to the antenna. Multiple tuners might
be needed for widely separated antennas. Being able to select
from multiple antennas to select the two diversity antennas and
a possible third transmit antenna would be useful.

One module that would be very useful would be a
user-programmable command multiplexer which would allow users to
develop their own control algorithms for the radio while also
allowing several other RS-232 programs to control the radio.

I've already posted about improvements in the P3 UI.

I would love to sit around and brainstorm with others on this question.

73 Bill AE6JV

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Re: Will there be a K4

Don Wilhelm
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Peter,

If you want I/Q output, look at LP-Pan2 (www.telepostinc.com).
It takes the K3S IF output and converts it to I/Q outputs which may be
processed by your soundcard.

Actually, I like the P3 display and integration better than that provide
by the software applications that use I/Q outputs, but your software
applications that you anticipate can provide a variety of displays from
the I/Q outputs as well as demodulation of the received signal stream if
that is what appeals to you.

73,
Don W3FPR


On 3/24/2019 7:42 PM, Peter Dougherty wrote:

> Honestly, I'm happy with my K3s, but--and I've said this many times
> before--I would gladly pay a premium for an I/Q out add-on board. Honestly,
> that's the one "modern" feature this top-shelf radio is missing as far as
> I'm concerned.
>
>   - pjd
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