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Re: Will there be a K4

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On 3/24/2019 4:39 PM, John Stengrevics wrote:
> Cardinal rule of business:  New products, new products, new products.

Also a great way to go out of biz, getting rolled over by much bigger
companies with much higher volume. Wayne and Eric know their place in
the ham market -- indeed, they have defined it!

73, Jim K9YC

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Re: Will there be a K4

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Hi Eric,

          I own an early K3, early KAT500, early KPA500, and early
KPA1500. Each a great product with great documentation and customer
support. I now also own a  FLEX 6600. SDR is the future of radio. The P3
just is not state of the art, and it's poor value for its cost. Its
shortcomings are numerous and known. The Flex has DAX which vastly
decreases the complexity of connectivity and keeps ports organized. The
Flex panafall display puts most controls at your finger tips rather than
buried in menus. The Flex exploits other SDR capabilities: Multiple
bands can be displayed simultaneously. A single Flex can do SO2R. But
the Flex has many shortcomings compared to the K-line: Poor and
frequently outdated documentation. Marginal customer service. Features
like remote capability, integration with non-Flex software, and SO2R may
be more difficult to implement than their ads would lead you to believe.
Those lacking networking skills may be at a disadvantage.

          A great SDR radio with Flex- like capabilities in connectivity
and panafall display and function that also has Elecraft quality
documentation and customer support would move Elecraft back to
leadership in HF radios.

          I have not been able to part with my K3. We have too much
history. But I now operate with my Flex driving the KPA1500. I'd dump
the Flex  in a heartbeat if a K4 could match or beat Flex functions and
maintain Elecraft's current level of documentation and customer service.

   K4KGG, Larry

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Re: Will there be a K4

Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
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Folks - we closed this “Will there be a K4” thread yesterday.  In the interest of relieving reader email overload from the large number of email postings, let's let it rest for now.

73,
Eric
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Re: Will there be a K4

Peter Hall
Eric,

I apologise for missing that mail but am amazed you'd want to shut down the discussion. But it's your sandpit!

Cheers,
Peter

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> On 26 Mar 2019, at 10:32 pm, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> Folks - we closed this “Will there be a K4” thread yesterday.  In the interest of relieving reader email overload from the large number of email postings, let's let it rest for now.
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> 73,
> Eric
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Re: Will there be a K4

Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
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Hi Peter,

No problem.

We certainly love the input, but this volume of email quickly saturates a large
number of our readers, so we try to keep it under control.

Of course, direct emails with suggestions to both of us are always welcome! :-)

73,
Eric
/elecraft.com/

On 3/26/2019 6:34 AM, Peter Hall wrote:
> Eric,
>
> I apologise for missing that mail but am amazed you'd want to shut down the discussion. But it's your sandpit!
>
> Cheers,
> Peter
>
> Sent from my iPad
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Re: Will there be a K4

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In reply to this post by Gordon LaPoint-2
Some thoughts on the K4...

Make/keep it modular. Start with a basic radio that provides an
excellent electronic foundation for whatever builds on top of it. The
model in this respect is the initial K3. This allows for flexibility in
configuring a radio that can accommodate the different
needs/desires/budgets in the ham community. It also provides for a
manageable initial price with the cost of future "expansions" spread out
over time.

By the way, "upgrade" makes the basic radio sound as if it's a dummied
down version that needs more expensive stuff to make it worth while.
"Extensions" sounds like what it is without short-sheeting the basic unit.

Resist the call to include every ham shack wire and gadget in the basic
radio. Doing so compromises the "modular" criteria and ends up with an
"all things for all people" radio that tends to satisfy hardly anyone.
Not to mention cost of production and repair and the operating
complexity that many hams will reject. Concerning this last point,
remember all those who complain about the complexity of stacked menus.

Personally, I would not include touch screens. A touch screen for radio
control seem to me to be an individual interest/appreciation that does
not, by its self, increase radio usability and capability. Just because
a technology can be applied to a given function does not mean that doing
so will enhance that function. Of course, marketing issues can influence
this decision. But note that contest stations, DX-peditions, and
discerning operators do not seem to be put off by the simple, almost
rudimentary UI of the K3-S. I would think that capability, extendability
and packaging are the major selling points, not bells, whistles and
cosmetics.

All that said, I'm confident that the Elecraft team will do the right
thing, both for the health of the company and the enjoyment of the
amateur radio community.

...robert



On 3/25/2019 12:25, Gordon LaPoint wrote:

> I would love an SDR (I have an ANAN-10e) with a front panel and the
> software for the computer, best of both worlds.  I have an Apache Labs
> ANAN-7000 DLE Mk2 (without computer) on order, but would love to replace
> that with the K4, that is full SDR with dual ADC's like the ANAN-7000.
>
> I have a K2(10Watt) and a K3 (updated, but not USB module), KPA/KAP 500
> combo and will keep all of the Elecraft equipment.
>
> I love the bandscope that I can click on with the mouse and tune the
> radio to a signal, the K4 needs a band scope on the computer screen when
> used with a computer!
>
> PureSignal on TX is now a must, get ahead of everyone, except the Apache
> Labs radios.
>
> Better noise reduction, (even the ANAN-10e has better)
>
> CW as good as the K3, or better.
>
> That is a good start, lets see what others come up with.
>
> Gordon - N1MGO  (long time K3 user)
>
> On 3/24/19 8:14 PM, Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft wrote:
>> Inquiring minds want to know:
>> What would you all like to see as a “K4” ?
>>
>> Eric
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Re: Will there be a K4

Gary Smith-2
A thought on touch screens.

I love them on my cell phone for the most
part, very easy to use and all in the palm
of my hand. Clever technology that is very
freeing.

As to them on the radio, I have a
different take; I'm getting old and I'm
finding years after some accidents, two
years on crutches when young, martial arts
back when it was realistic, and activity
generated arthritis in my shoulder has
made it more uncomfortable to keep my arm
extended with my wrist in an up position.
I even find myself hurting after playing
guitar for a couple hours, never
experienced that till as of late.

I fear using a touch screen would become
uncomfortable after not too much active
use. Perhaps if there were a remote tablet
that could be on the desk instead of the
touch screen on the radio, that might be
more comfortable.

73,

Gary
KA1J

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Re: Will there be a K4

Bill-3
Bingo!!!  I used a Genovation for K3 control (placing the keypad beside
me at the edge of my desk). Worked great - until the keypad quit. I
reverted back to using HRD.

Then I got an IC-7300 with the touch screen and a stylus.  Moved the
radio out on the desk so I can reach it easily (and lost desktop space).
Good radio with lots of modern features and personalization choices.
Then I reverted back using HRD (remember the lost desktop space?).

HRD can be somewhat customized as to what controls are on screen, but it
is a one size fits all system. Hence, with the limited rig related
customization it offers, it is not the end all rig control system - too
much attention has been paid to digital, rotors, DXing, logging, etc. 
Not enough time spent on rig control.

Maybe I am the only person in the world solely interested in rig control
software?

All that said, the idea of a full featured tablet-like remote control I
can hold in my lap would just be GREAT!!! I just have to live long
enough to see this happen.

Life is good at my shack - the snow is going away!

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Re: Will there be a K4

Tom Azlin W7SUA-2
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Phase lock the synthesizer to the external 10 MHz reference.

73, tom w7sua

On 3/24/2019 5:14 PM, Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft wrote:
> Inquiring minds want to know:
> What would you all like to see as a “K4” ?
>
> Eric
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Re: Will there be a K4

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Keep it modular.
Keep the "basic unit" simple.
Focus on performance, not bells and whistles.
Keep the UI simple and direct, functional, not "cute."
Remember that there's no "forever upward;" asymptotes do exist.
Investigate how the price can be brought down [if at all] without
sacrificing performance or company financial stability.
Remember that while the K3'etc is a great radio, the company behind the
radio is as great as the technical stuff. Nourish the company.
Thanks for asking!

...robert

> On 3/24/2019 5:14 PM, Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft wrote:
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>> What would you all like to see as a ???K4??? ?
>>
>> Eric
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Re: Will there be a K4

Nicklas Johnson
So basically a K3S :-D

The only thing I think it might be nice to see is a way for ALE (ie,
HFlink) to work/scan totally silently, which I guess would mean totally
diode-switched filters and a mode where the ATU could automatically be
bypassed during receive and enabled during transmit?  (the latter could
sort of be achieved today with the software sending the right commands of
course)

Cosmetically, the unit's display is starting to look & feel a little clunky
by 2019 standards, but this is such a minor thing.

But honestly the K3S has left me wanting for so little that it's somewhat
difficult for me to imagine altogether very many ways to improve it, though
I've only been operating with it about a year.

   Nick


On Fri, 3 May 2019 at 17:01, Robert G Strickland via Elecraft <
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> Keep it modular.
> Keep the "basic unit" simple.
> Focus on performance, not bells and whistles.
> Keep the UI simple and direct, functional, not "cute."
> Remember that there's no "forever upward;" asymptotes do exist.
> Investigate how the price can be brought down [if at all] without
> sacrificing performance or company financial stability.
> Remember that while the K3'etc is a great radio, the company behind the
> radio is as great as the technical stuff. Nourish the company.
> Thanks for asking!
>
> ...robert
>
> > On 3/24/2019 5:14 PM, Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft wrote:
> >> Inquiring minds want to know:
> >> What would you all like to see as a ???K4??? ?
> >>
> >> Eric
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